13 responses

  1. Adam M.
    October 30, 2005

    I am with you on this one. I call them 4×4, simple as that.

  2. Ken Smith
    November 1, 2005

    What about a non-typical deer? My son shot a nice buck this season. 4×8 including two 1″ points on the left and not including eyeguards which were 3″ inches on each side. Is it a 5×9, 4×8, or 4×6?

  3. David King
    November 2, 2005

    Ken,
    Sounds like a great buck. You will have to send in a photo. I would call this buck a 4×8, or a 5×9 including eyeguards.

    David King
    King’s Outdoor World

  4. Bob Duane
    November 14, 2005

    Confusing to say the least, but since Boone & Crockett is or are the official scoring (People) or better to say they score by their methods to have it entered into their books, then you would have to count them the way they do because nothing else really matters.

  5. Alberta-wes
    August 23, 2006

    We have the same dillema up here, and talking with some people can get confusing, even with some of my friends. For the most part we apply the same standard rule, that a 4 by 4 is a 4 by 4 regardless of brow tines. Main reason being, that the main identifying features of a good mule in this country, should have the basic 4 point components. After that, brow tines seem to be a bonus, and can be great for cleaning up deductions. I guess with non-typicals, you mabey just have to judge those boys on the ground.

  6. Brian H.
    November 13, 2006

    I just shot mule deer up in the missouri breaks of MT. my brother in law says its a 4×5 not including the brow tines.. yet everyone that I went hunting with says you count the brow tines since its over an inch long which would then make it a 5×5.. so my question is… is it a 4×5 or a 5×5?

  7. Idaho Matt
    November 13, 2006

    Well Brian, I’d say that after reading through the post and all the comments should glean you the answer, sounds like you got a nice 4×5 because standard speak doesn’t include the eyeguards. “Technically Speaking” yes B & C counts the eyeguards but let me put this to the readers, how many of us will ever be submitting a deer for the books? I doubt I ever will but yes, I do know that part of the 200 inches of the buck I’ll never shoot includes the eyeguards. The monster I got this year is an 80lb 2×2, no eyeguards :-) and I’d bet he eats better than a big buck any day.

  8. Jason
    November 12, 2007

    This is a little off the subject, but I was told that the true mule deer doesn’t have brow tines. Is this true?

  9. trevor niles
    December 2, 2007

    If you have a 4×4 with no eye guards do you still get both mass measurments above and below where the eyeguards would be?

  10. dustin
    December 3, 2007

    no trevor, according to boone and crockett you lose one mass measurement, the measurment on the side without an eyeguard is taken where you get the least circumference points.

  11. dustin
    December 3, 2007

    jason in response to your question true mule deer do have browtines,or eyeguards, according to boone and crockett muleys are supposed to have browtines.

  12. Sheyenne Heuker
    October 11, 2009

    I am in a small debate with my husband over why some deer do not have eye-guards while others do. Can you answer this for us?

  13. Chelsey South Dakota
    November 28, 2011

    Here, we count the browtines. just because it’s like every other point, so why not? I’ve seen several deer shot in South Dakota this year that have split browtines that look just like points.

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