Problems at Bowtech?
November 3rd, 2005 David King - King's Outdoor World
Something crazy just happened within the Bowtech company - the producer of the popular archery bows. This is kind of confusing, but let me see if I can get this straight. For those of you familiar with the archery industry, there is the “Martin” girl. She is the girl in all of the Martin bow advertisements. Ususally she is wearing something that gets attention (if you know what I mean) while holding a Martin bow.
Well, to add to the drama, Kevin Strother, Vice President and Co-Founder of Bowtech,(yes, a competitor of Martin) has married the “Martin” girl (sorry, I do not know her name). This apparently has caused some problems at Bowtech and the President of BowTech has fired Kevin Strother.
Kevin just posted some heated feelings about this on a popular archery message board. Click Here to read his comments about Bowtech and him being fired.
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1. Shotgun Shells Connoisseur | November 8th, 2005 at 6:21 pm
This apparently has caused some problems
What an understatement!
But I’m surprised that Martin bow didn’t fire the girl instead?
2. Anon | November 15th, 2005 at 3:29 pm
Well, it’d be difficult for Martin Archery to fire the Martin Girl… Her name’s Kate Robinson, she’s related to the Martin family.
There’s a lot of suspicion that the reason Kevin was let go, is because he married into the Martin family, and could possibly be passing along trade secrets.
3. Turbo Travis | November 27th, 2005 at 10:39 am
I’ve been thinking of getting myself a Bowtech, but after reading the comments on Bowtech, not even the dealer I trust can convince me to purchase one!!! I’m sure glad I found this site since I was going today to buy a Tomkat!!!!!!
4. tom | December 5th, 2005 at 9:28 pm
I bought the net tribute and I shoot 30-40 x per day and hmmm no limb breakage… this bow is the smoothes and fastest I have ever shot!
5. Joe Mladenik | December 23rd, 2005 at 4:12 pm
Do ALL Bowtech bows make that ‘ting’ sound when they are shot? All the ones I’ve heard sound almost like a robot, or a computer shooting them or something. It is strange and I would not want my bow to make that noise no matter HOW fast it shot! If I can hear that I KNOW animals can. As for Mr. Strother……..that was his decision to make and his consequences he has to face.
6. Frank | January 10th, 2006 at 1:26 pm
The martin girl is Hott! i personally shoot a hoyt, she should model for hoyt!
7. jake boss | January 13th, 2006 at 4:22 pm
Kevin Strothers broke agreement with Bowtech and was involved in the design of elite archery bows which Kate is the owner of. All models are a complete ripoff of bowtechs line in size, cams exc. Its truely no wonder why he got fired.
If anybow makes a ting when it is shot something is loose on eather the cams or the components. a proporly tuned bowtech will not make that noise.
8. Adam Harris | January 17th, 2006 at 10:20 am
I own a 2006 Bowtech Tomkat, and it is the best bow I have ever shot, period. I even test fired some of the higher up Bowtechs (the Tomkat is the least expensive Bowtech, not counting Diamond bows) and even they did not seem to have the exact same great feel of the Tomkat, though they were Very nice. Im shootin every single day now!
9. Dennis Crafton | March 16th, 2006 at 7:41 pm
I have shot P.S.E. and Mathews my entire life. My father shoots the same. Now I shoot a 2006 Tomkat bowtech. It is by far the best I have ever owned. It is very smooth, fast,and quite.You will soon see my other bows on ebay.
10. Dave | May 31st, 2006 at 2:10 am
To the guy who wonders if all Bowtech bows make “that sound”
? My Constitutions don’t make hardly any sound at all. In fact they
are the quietest best shooting bows I every shot. I bought one
then bought another because it was so good. Maybe “that sound”
comes from the bow not being tuned right or a bad rest or some
shooters’ flaw. I would recommend Bowtech to anyone who wants a few extra points or some one hole groups. D.L.
11. trent1960 | June 6th, 2006 at 4:31 pm
I’ve shot mathews for years. that is until the bowtech become the new talked about bow everywhere i went. I decided to shoot one for myself to see what all the guff was about. WOW!!!. Shot many bows this one takes the cake. Smooth,Quiet,Super Fast and best of all i’m back in the dual cam theory that i’ve always loved so much. Absolute Zero nock travel. Unlike the single cams. I am just amazed at the Bowtech technology I currently shoot a Tribute after my Allegiance. They just keep getting better and better. Can’t say enough about the bows i’m still kind of in shock myself. My buddy shoots the Tomkat and he absolutely loves it. He’s had it for 2 years now and shot many arrows. Limb breakage is a rumor in my opinion.
12. Dave | July 19th, 2006 at 2:23 am
I have a Constitution. It shoots itself. I have never owned a bow that shoots this well. The binary cam system makes all the sense in the world no matter who designed it or where he works now. So what’s going to happen now, undesign it? It’s been done and it
works. As for ping there’s somethiong wrong with a bow that goes ping. My bow doesn’t do that. Pings come from rests a lot of the time and it’s usually the arrow that does the pinging ont the bow. All the sour grapes in the world and all the Martin girls there are out there don’t make a great design disappear.
13. PLindy | July 31st, 2006 at 4:42 am
I have a better reason i believe why Kevin got fired from Bowtech, after he married the Martin girl Kate Robinson, I noticed for an occupation she was a prsident of a company and followed a link to her home page and it lead me to www.elitearchery.com. If you look at there bows you will know right away I believe why he got fired, but its just a hunch.
14. Ken Syme | September 5th, 2006 at 3:44 pm
I feel that what Kevin does with or in his personal life is just that, his personal life, just keep making BOWTECH the fastest, hottest, and the quietest bow, I have ever shot.
15. Cameron Budd | September 16th, 2006 at 2:57 pm
I agree with you Ken Syme. It’s his life and everyone is jealous because the Martin Girl Is HOTT. I have shot a Tomkat and didn’t like it much. I don’t think there is a bow out there that is much better than the rest. They are all great bows no matter what anyone says. But in the end Fred Bear comes out on top.
16. Jeremy Hurt | September 23rd, 2006 at 6:31 pm
Well I agree with the rest of you. I have shot almost every brand of bow out there in competition and hunting. Bowtech has been by far my favorite of all the bows ive shot. I Like the Mathews but never owned one due to the fact they have always been over rated in my opinion. Sure you can take a the top archer with any bow out there and they could be called the#1Bow. In 2003 I heard alot of talk from dealers about Bowtech going out of buisness exc. well there still here! And I have seen many brands of bows have limb problems, had a few to break myself. But they were always replaced and no problems since. Most of the company’s buy there limbs elsewhere and like evething else your going to get a lemon sometimes. I will continue to pack my Bowtech with me to the woods!
17. Ernie Suto | October 2nd, 2006 at 11:03 am
I shoot an MQ1 Mathews. Although I’ve shot my share of deer with this bow, I really never liked the draw cycle of thi or any Mathews bow. I did get the chance to shoot a E500 Elite Archery bow and fell in love with it. The bow was set up with a 291/2 draw,Nap flaa awy rest, peep, and Truglow sight, 67lbs. After a sight adjustment, this bow smoked three types of carbon arrows, and two different size aluminum arrows. This bow was fast, forgiving, and a real dream to draw.I have not shot a Bowtech, so I can’t compare. E500 will be my next bow,and goodbye Mathews.
18. courten eador | October 7th, 2006 at 10:38 pm
i have shot a lot of bows. i went to iowa and shot every bow made pretty much. i like matthews,but over rated. just a little. i shot bowtech and the grip dident feel right,but thats personel opion. but i do agree with ernie suto the elite e500 is the stuff. not bragging but at the age of 12 i got offerd to shoot pro. so i know my stuff. and at the deler i got to shoot the e500 buy elite and stuck two arrows to getter within the firs three shots. and if you shoot a bowtech and then a e500 you will tell that their no tjust a copy. their the stuff and thats going to be my bow this thanks giving. but everyone has thier owen opion and their is nuthin wrong with bowtech. but all thes people saying that the e500 is a copy thats wrong. but hey if your shooting a bow thats all that matters.
19. vichris | October 8th, 2006 at 10:12 am
Bowtech has NOT gained the trust and noteriety it has through slick marketing and advetising. They gained the hunting publics trust because they produce a quality product thats fast, quite, good quality, and competitivly priced.
It’s painfully obvious that Kevin S. has a bone to pick with the managment @ Bowtech. And it’s not without some merit. But Kevin S certainly looks childish by trying to bring down Bowtech because he has some personal problems with their managment. If Kevin were a bit more thoughtful he might get himself a good laywer remove his posts from a public forum and stop trying to destroy his own and Bowtech’s legecy.
20. Jason | October 16th, 2006 at 6:26 pm
Hey Courten Eader, when you were offered this professional statis at the age of 12 did you just decide to give up on the english language.
21. Paul | October 30th, 2006 at 6:50 pm
Hey Jason Ii thought the same thing but I think you meant “status”.
22. Paul | October 30th, 2006 at 6:52 pm
And yes that would be “I”. I hate when that happens!
23. Boyd | December 2nd, 2006 at 7:58 am
My Tomkat doesn’t make no sounds no nothing except dead bucks! Shoots 317fps @28″ / 67.3pds 400carbon, 85grn nap and once again thanks Bowtech!!!
24. Trent | December 11th, 2006 at 8:40 pm
All of this is old hat now.. Everyone knows the story now. Is Elite even a viable company now. I love my 5 year old Patriot.. It killed another Pope and Young this year..
25. james | December 19th, 2006 at 2:22 pm
to those of you who have questions about the “ping” noise you are hearing from your bowtech. it really isn’t that much louder than any other bow, its just a different noise. i have the 2006 allegiance and all i needed to do to stop that noise was just put some limbsavers on. and instead of the string dampeners that come with the bow, i put some cat whiskers on (they’re faster and work better). believe that i know what i am talking about, because i work at an archery pro shop and have seen and handled hundreds of bowtechs and many other brands. and i can definately say that bowtech is the most efficient, fast, and practical bow out there.
26. WDFOXHAT - AUSTRALIA | December 20th, 2006 at 5:37 pm
Gday!!
Can anyone tell me if the string stops that every body seems to be attaching to there bows are good for the bow? I have one fitted to my 70# constitution and I am seeing the factory string silencers legs snap off after maybe 100 shots- have i got it set right? its just against the string. Any help with this would be appreciated.
27. james | December 21st, 2006 at 1:54 pm
(WDFOXHAT)-
string stops really dont do anything better than just putting some cat whiskers on your string. i know mathews has them and a few other companies are starting to put string stops on but they break down over time just like any other string silencer but the only difference is that they cost more. a set of whiskers costs around $3.00 tops, they last pretty long and work the best as far as silencing your string without losing any more than 2 fps. the factory string silencers aren’t that great and break quite easily so don’t worry about that, its nothing that you did
28. sharp shooter | January 1st, 2007 at 12:48 am
i have a tomkat and it shoots fine i killed two bucks this year and heart shot both of them. it is a very nice fast shooting bow
29. alex | January 11th, 2007 at 7:29 pm
i have a bowtech tribute and it is the best bow i have ever shot its wisper quiet and very fast a 297 fps. bowtech is the way to go.
30. Alex | January 12th, 2007 at 1:24 pm
Bowtech will be the new melleniums PSE owning the market for 40 years. They are unbeatable. Talk about design improvements! Every year they cut mass weight, improve cam designs ( not reconfigure but improve), and now look at the new riser design. Not to metion the Binary cam system. They make hands down the best compound bow on the market. What competition?
31. Warren Rankin | January 16th, 2007 at 5:24 pm
I purchased a red Chrome Bowtech Constutution late last week (Mial order) Upon receiving the bow in the mail I found the red finish around the top & bottom holes in the riser to be rough (jagged edges). Although this will not detract from the bows performance it is disappointing as my other bows (different brands) all have much better finishes.
I also found the owners manual to be, in parts, ambiguous and less than informative.
The bow was supplied factory set at 40lbs. It is a 40-60lb bow. The manual says don’t wind the limbs more than 2 & a half 360 degree turns. how then do I set the bow for 56lb draw. This is just one example of the manuals scetchy instructions. The manual also says changing the letoff is accomplished with ease, it doesn’t say how to do it. there is no information on sring & cable lengths should I need to make a new string or cable. It would have been good if the manual had drawings of the components of the bow as a viusual reference. People like me would then be able to relate what has been written to the drawings.
I have emailed Bowtech seeking advise but have not received a reply as yet.
I am far from expert on bows and have only been involved with the sport of archery for about a year so I rely heavily on manufacturers information.
Apart from the poor finish and the very vague owners manual I can’t fault the bow, of course, the true test will be when I shoot it.
Regards
Warren (Australia).
32. Warren Rankin | January 17th, 2007 at 6:37 am
Further to my comments above concerning the Bowtech Constitution bow, Bowtech has replied to me. The finish is standard. They supplied me details of the string & cable lengths.
Since writing the above comments I have had the opportunity to shoot the bow. What a pleasure! After fine tuning and finding centre, I shot in at 20 meters & 60 meters (to get sight settings). I then spent time shooting over 70 meters in a rather brisk breeze. The bow performed extremely well. I particularly like the Shrewd grip which is almost anti torque.
The letoff (80% in my case) is very subtle and I didn’t consiously feel the valley at 55 to 56lb draw (I’m not sure if this is a good or bad thing). I felt I could hold the bow at full draw all day.
I look forward to using the bow in tournaments.
Regards to all.
Warren (Australia).
33. Dan | January 19th, 2007 at 3:58 pm
The metelic noise is very likely the type of release that is being used. Many target releases are not very quiet, not what they are designed for, and there is often a snap noise when they are tripped. I shoot an Allegiance and with a back tension target release I also hear the metalic snap. When using my hunting release there is no noise at all. By the way if you have any worries over the quality of a Bowtech bow I have used PSE, Mathews, Parker, Hoyt, and Bowtech, the Bowtech wins hands down as the best company internal issues or not.
34. alex | January 23rd, 2007 at 7:50 pm
yes i have used PSE and Mathews and I would rather have my Bowtech aswell.
35. paul marsico | February 3rd, 2007 at 6:12 pm
i bought bowtech tomcat last feb.2006 the problem ive been having wheni go to draw it feels like it is going to lockup so i back off then when i go to draw again it is back to normal this problem happens every so often . isent it back to bowtech they said they couldnt find no problem . i still have the same problem after they sent it back. so im sending back again if anyone could give me some help with this problem i would appreciate it thank you paul
36. paul marsico | February 3rd, 2007 at 6:17 pm
i bought bowtech tomcat last feb.2006 the problem ive been having wheni go to draw it feels like it is going to lockup so i back off then when i go to draw again it is back to normal this problem happens every so often . isent it back to bowtech they said they couldnt find no problem . i still have the same problem after they sent it back. so im sending back again if anyone could give me some help with this problem i would appreciate it please email me paul.thanks for your help
37. david pope | February 6th, 2007 at 12:00 pm
I just bought a new 07 tomkat and its sweet i think bowtech is a top of the line bow producer whos bows will hold there own against any of the other big archery producers
38. morse | February 9th, 2007 at 10:16 pm
i have to get a new bow and ive been looking at the bowtech tomkat and i need to know if it can make an easy pasthrough from 20-35 yards
39. Tony | February 12th, 2007 at 9:51 am
I bought a tomkat last summer.Fast bow but i can hardly shoot
a 24″ inch pattern at 20yards. I shot a Darton very well for the
last 10 years untill it was stolen. Its been to the local bowshop
twice with minor adjustments and still no better luck. Bowhuntingmagazine mentioned a possible lemon out of the box, do to top camnot being aligne with the bow properly.I checked and sure
enough the string wants to roll over the cam instead of followingthe groove. Anyone out there relate with this.If your bow shoots well and your cam and string does what mine does it would help me to know this.
40. Aaron | February 12th, 2007 at 10:32 am
I have owned a 03′ BowTech pro 38 and now an 06′ Old Glory, I love these bows and have been shooting better than ever. I don’t care who designs, builds, or sells them. I will keep buying and bragging about them until I get a bad one. If they turn to crap without Kevin I’ll move on to another manufacturer, If he stole privileged information I will never be shooting a Martin or this Elite?
It’s as simple as that.
Aaron
41. Artic Archer | February 14th, 2007 at 1:00 pm
All I can say is I hope this move doesn’t slow down production I am waiting for a Guardian.
42. Michael | February 14th, 2007 at 7:51 pm
Have shot hoyt, high country, pse, kodiak, martin, bowtech, diamond, bear and mathews. I have owned pse (7), high country (1), kodiak (1), bowtech (2) and diamond (1). I still own most of the pse’s only because they are outdated and arent worth much. I still have the kodiak. That is a great bow. I do not still own the high country and wont if they dont ever offer a decent bow. Pse hasent had anything latley that interests me. Kodiak went to a 3 or 4 piece fused riser so I wont be using them any time soon. I still have the diamond liberty in target colors for my indoor target use. It is a great target bow and will continue to shoot it for some time. I have 2 tributes. 1 will be sold shortly. Only because it is an 80# er and I have had some shoulder injuries in the past that are catching up to me. Other than that, it is the most awesome bow I have ever shot. Who would have thought you could shoot an arrow that fast and yet that forgiving and quiet?! I meen, it is the fastest, quietest and most forgiving bow I have ever shot. The only bow I have shot that MIGHT have had more forgivness was my kodiak. I bought a 2007 60# tribute and the improved grip makes all the difference! This bow shoots even better than my 2006. I didnt think they could ever improve the tribute. As far as mathews, I think they are way too heavy and overpriced. I also hate the spongy feeling at full draw. Untill they get off their solo cam high horse and make a real bow, lighten them up and drop the price I wont own any of those any time soon either. Dont get me wrong, I like single cam bows as well, but come on, move on. With the advent of bianary and 1/2 cam technology, a single cam is all but obsolete. As far as bowtech’s making a horible noise, I sure havent heard it. Then again, I make sure all bolts are tight before shooting. I really dont care if the guy married the hottest gal in archery and got fired. I am sure there is more to the story then I will ever know or care to know. As long as they keep cranking out the most awe inspiring bows available, I will be a customer for a long time.
43. jaje boss | February 19th, 2007 at 4:23 pm
Anyone owning a 06 Elite in the 29 to 30″ range needs to be advised of a manufacturers defect involving the cam truss and the cable on the outfeed portion of the eccentrics. The cable is bound around the truss and can move on the 29 to 30″ models acting like a knife and can and does cut the cable. This will cause the bow to explode! Elite in there haist to get these bows on the market used a dremel tool to round the edge of the truss. THIS DOES NOT WORK!!! Elite knew about the dangerous problem and sent the bow out anyway. THEY ARE LEGALLY LIABLE FOR INJURIES!!!!
44. barney_42 | March 7th, 2007 at 2:51 pm
Just bought my first new bow after 14 years of shooting the same browning. After talking to everyone i could find, i decided to buy a bowtech allegience. I thought maybe i would have to change arrows (I shoot aluminum 2514) because i wasn’t sure how they would shoot out of this bow. After tuning it and shooting it i have to say i will never own a bow that doesn’t say bowtech on it. after 2 days i was already shooting better with this bow than i could shoot with my browning after 14 years! the only person that isn’t happy is my wife because i ruin so many arrows from them hitting each other that i am going to end up buying a dozen arrows every 2 weeks. Needless to say. i t shoots far beter than i expected. Bowtech for life for me.
45. bowdean | March 11th, 2007 at 8:59 pm
My neighbor has a 06 tomcat he bought a few months back
and in order to bare shaft paper tune we had to move the
arrow rest over to the left (right hand bow) 1 7/16″ after
having the rip cord rest milled so we could move it that far.
Have any of you tomcat shooters had that kind of a problem?
The bow is a 60/70 set at 63# with axis 400 cut at 28″ and
his draw length is 28. The bow checks to be in tune on a
draw board.
Thanks for any help, Gene
46. BowHunter308 | April 13th, 2007 at 9:17 am
I own a 2005 Bowtech Victory (Diamond Series.) I love this bow. About a year after I bought it, i started seeing a spot being cut away on my string. I had a local bow shop look at it, they said there was a burr on the cam, and they had seen this a lot with the Diamond Series. Over all, the bow is graet, FAST, QUIET, and forgiving. My bestfriend bought an 06 TomKat for almost half the price of my Victory, and the dang thing shoots gteat, and came with lots of extras. BowTech is great, affordable, and i wilol contiue to buy them.
47. wdfoxhat | April 16th, 2007 at 12:52 am
Can any one help- i have a 07 tribute @ 80# and it is unreal!!!!-
but can anyone tell me the string and cable lengths for this bow?- it is supposed to be written on the bottom limb but i can not read the gold writing on it - flaked off ? or something- cheers
48. Tony Moralez NM- Hunter | April 16th, 2007 at 10:22 am
I just bought a new bowtech gardian. Last week i went down to the local archery shop where they sell more mathews than any others. I showed up just in time my good buddy happend to be putting on a show shooting his mattews at 70# with a 320 grain arrow through the radar gun. He clocked it out at 338 fps, very impressive. He was deminstrating to a serius matthews inthuesiist. Any who, my bowtech turned a few heads when i grabbed his arrow and shot it through the gun at 350 fps. With my bow maxed out at 70#. Beleive it or not but that is the dead truth, to top that off that was the very first shot i took with the gardian. Needless to say the guy that went in there to buy the new drenilin by matthews, ended up going to our local sportsmans warehouse where they have the new bowtech line up, and went home with a new bowtech gardian that day. It wasn’t just the speed that pulled him away from the matthews, it was the over all package the smoothness, and the fact that you don’t need a bow press blew him away. I will update you on how my bowtech does I leave for a turkey hunt on thursday. There’s really no doubt in my mind that i will be very satified. I aready am!
49. Tony Moralez NM- Hunter | April 16th, 2007 at 10:34 am
I’m sorry the arrow that clocked out at 350fps was a 295gr. arrow which can be shot from a 75# bow. The arrow was a carbon revolution speed pro max, by high country. Try it!
50. Thad Harvill | April 24th, 2007 at 12:50 pm
Thats all pretty cool that you ca dry fire your bow and get away with it, see what it will shoot at true IBO standards and then get back to me , I shoot the same bow .
51. Ed Whitman | May 6th, 2007 at 7:29 am
I bought a Bowtech Patriot in ‘04, I have used this bow for three PA archery seasons as well as year round shooting. I have had two sets of limbs replaced due to them splitting. Since the bow is under warranty they replace the limbs for free, but it does make you a little hesitant to shoot knowing that the limbs could split at anytime. I am not the only Bowtech user that has experienced this problem, it could be a material defect or poor craftsmanship. Either way my next bow will probably be a Matthews or Parker.
52. ubbrd | May 14th, 2007 at 2:24 am
I have a Bowtech Constitution (06 model) I have owned it for about 5 months. It is back at the retailers, as I type this, to get a third set of limbs. The first two sets cracked after only a short time.
The retailer is pretty good & didn’t even question me regarding possible causes for the limbs failure. The retailer said he has replaced quiet a number of Constitution limbs.
When the Constitution in question is in a shootable condition it is great but I wonder how long the third set will last before they fail (I am becoming pessimistic now).
I don’t dry fire bows or use underweight arrows so I don’t know what the problem is.
I hope I have better luck with the third set of limbs, if not, I will be returning the bow & seeking a refund from the retailer.
Interesting thing is, while the Constitution is out of action I have been using a Bowtech Liberty & I have noticed hairline cracks starting to appear on the top limb. None of my other brands of compound bows (Hoyts, Alpine Denali, Darton & Pearson) have had any limb problems.
53. Kevin Richards | May 21st, 2007 at 8:11 am
Gave up shooting a bow over ten years ago. I am looking to get back in to it. I am currently looking at a Bowtech Guardian. Can you please give me some helpful advice. I have shot some arrows from the Bowtech Guardian at a bow shop an I was impressed. The sales person said the guardian from bowtech should be there number one seller. Looking for some help in buying a great bow?
54. ubbrd | June 4th, 2007 at 12:22 am
Kevin. I have two Bowtech bows, the Constitution & the Liberty.
Unfortunately I am now onto my third set of Consitution limbs as the first two sets broke, I might be onto my fourth set soon as, after only a couple of hundred arrow, I can feel tiny ridges on the concave side of the top limb.
Limb failure appears to be a common problem with the Consitution and I know of a number of other archers who have had similar problems.
My Liberty is still on it’s first set of limbs but small cracks are starting to appear on the top limb.
It’s a shame that such great bows to shoot are plagued by what appears to be, limbs manufactured to a poor standard.
I don’t know anything about the Guardian but I won’t be buying one due to the poor reputation and, bad experiences I have had, with the Bowtech limbs on my Consitution and will soon (it appears) will be having with my Liberty.
Tournament archers here in Australia are ducking & weaving bowtech bows & less & less are seen now on the shooting line.
To Bowtech’s credit they do replace broken limbs without any fuss but, it is very inconvenient when a bow less than 6 months old spends more time at the retailers having limbs replaced than it does on the shooting line.
I have a number of other well known brand compound bows and shoot the same grain weight arrows with the same draw length and draw weight as the Bowtechs I own and none of the limbs of these other brands have ever given me any problem.
55. Kevin Richards | June 4th, 2007 at 4:20 pm
Thank you Ubbrd for taking the time and letting me know about the limbs cracking. I am typing this letter from Toronto Canada. I will keep that advice in mind when I do go and bye my bow. I am looking at this point at hoyt or mathews or pse. Hope all is well in Australia. Once again thanks.
56. ubbrd | June 11th, 2007 at 7:54 am
Further to my earlier comments, the new top limb of my Bowtech Constitution is developing cracks. The next set of limbs will be the fourth set of limbs for this bow. I have only owned this bow since January this year
I use arrows weighing 346 grains (well within acceptable weight for this bow). The draw weight is 56lb at 28inches.
I train with one of this countries (Australia) best target archers & he says I am doing nothing wrong with the way I treat & shoot this bow.
I use the same arrows in My Darton Avalanche, Alpine Denali, Pearson Generation II and My Hoyts Ultratec bow and non of these bows has ever had any limb problems. The draw weight & draw length of these bows is the same as the draw length & draw weight of the Consitution.
I am at a lose to understand why it is the Constitution limbs which are always failing.
I was told that 2006 Constitution limbs that failed were being replaced with limbs manufactured differently to alleviate the continual Constitution limbs failures that has plagued Bowtech. I don’t know if this is true as the sets of replacement limbs look identical to the original set of limbs.
My Constitution has spent more time at the archery retailers waiting to have limbs replaced then it has on the shooting line.
I have been advised to return the bow to the retailers and get a refund. In Australia we have Fair Trading laws which protect consumers against situations such as this.
It’s a shame that such a good bow to shoot is spoilt by having what is obviously cheap shoddy limbs.
57. levi | June 25th, 2007 at 10:54 pm
Bowtech bows are the best bows ever! my dad just got the Bowtech Guardian and it is a sweet unit. i am 14 and i shoot a Browning, but i am going to get the 08 Guardian. I almost forgot Mathews are WAY over rated!
58. Clint | June 30th, 2007 at 2:06 am
I have a bowtech tribute bought in 06. I love the bow. Very smooth and quiet. I shoot 405 grain easton axis arrows @ about 297 fps.(arrow shaft+100grain strikers+tracer lighted nocks) 70# limbs with a 28-28.5 draw. The only extras on the string is a D loop. I mainly elk hunt with my bow.(accasionally whitetails if I get time) I would like to shoot a little faster, but don’t want to lower my arrow weight. I’m thinking about getting 80# limbs for it. I’m a little sceptacle because I’ve heard the 80# limbs were one of the worst about breaking, and will going from 70# to 80# make enough difference to spend the money on changing them? Pulling the weight is not an issue.(Yet) My previous bow was 80# browning. Just want to get a little more speed without dropping any arrow weight. Anyone have any info or sugestions? If it matters, I don’t shoot every day. I start shooting the first part of july, every other week, for about 1 hr. each day, untill time to go after elk the last week of sept.
59. FREDO | June 30th, 2007 at 10:10 pm
I HAVE SHOT MANY DEER WITH PSC MARTIN BEAR ECT. I JUST BOUGHT A BOWTECH TOM CAT FROM KINGS ARCHERY THANKS SCOTT IM LOVING IT BUT MANY PEOPLE WANT SPEED NO NOISE BUT I HAVE HARVESTED OVER 30 DEER WITH A OLD BLACK BEAR THAT IS SO LOUD AND SLOW AND I MEAN SLOW I COULD DO 50 JUMPING JACKS BEFORE IT HITS ITS MARK SPEED HELPS NO NOISE HELPS BUT HONESTLY IT 90% HUNTER 10% ANIMALS I JUST LIKE A COMFORTABLE AND LITE BOWS ONCE AGIN THANKS KINGS ARCHERY LOOKING FORWARD TO DO MORE BUSSINESS WITH YALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
60. Hoyt lover | July 2nd, 2007 at 1:07 pm
I just bought the vectrix from hoyt, and that is the best bow out there on the market. The vectrix is smooth, has very very little vibration, and is very fast. But personaly I don’t really care that much about speed, along as the bow is accurate, and the new vectix is very accurate. Just thought I would throw in my two bits, becouse as far as I’m concerned it’s all personal preference, and nobody is right.
61. FREDO | July 3rd, 2007 at 9:12 pm
i agree but the bow dont shoot its self its all in the shooter they all shoot where there aimed is your eyes?????????????
62. levi | July 9th, 2007 at 10:04 pm
there are two types of bows out there: bowtech and want to be bowtech!!!
63. Doc | July 10th, 2007 at 7:26 pm
Bowtech definitely produces a quality bow, as do many other manufacturers. PSE now is making the fastest bow but Bowtech makes the most quiet out of the box. Bowtech is also producing the best bow for your money with the Diamond line of bows.
I guess it all just boils down to preference.
I have taken 5 elk with an old hand-made Osage stick bow, so although technology can help with accuracy and speed, it does not improve the quality of the hunter nor the ethics the hunter possesses.
What good is your aim if your timing is off and vice versa come into play also.
Happy Trails
64. cobb | July 14th, 2007 at 5:13 pm
hey Joe,got a ting. I shoot a bowtech allegience but the ting I had came from my drop zone rest. wrapped it in mole skin seems to help.
65. Kenny | July 19th, 2007 at 3:10 pm
i just bought a bowtech equalizer a week ago and it has been a joy . it is made for us short draw length guys and I must say I shoot far better after a week with it than I ever did with my Martin
I never thoght I would own anything but martin since Ive had 4 differt ones and no other brands but I think I’ll stay with bowtech as long as I don’t have any of those limb problems some of you guys are talking about
66. ken | August 20th, 2007 at 8:15 pm
A bit of track sorry, but i am a beginner and recently bought a bowtech allegiance. When testing the bow i accidentally dry fired once, stupid, stupid, stupid, i know. I can’t seem to find any visible damage on the bow. Can anyone tell me what damage could have occured and what should i do?
67. levi | August 21st, 2007 at 10:02 pm
hey ken i have got your answer, bowtech bows are made so that if you dry fire it, the cams cave in so the limbs don’t explode. i hope that answered your question. bye
68. Jerry Backes | August 23rd, 2007 at 5:09 pm
Just purchased Diamond Black Ice, dialed it in and it is shooting great. Should of purchased Bowtech, years ago. Lov’n it. Started shooting everyday until the whitetail season comes upon us, here in Iowa, which will no be very long…happy hunting.
69. mark f | September 9th, 2007 at 3:15 am
Hi,3 weeks ago I purchased a 60lb elite envy,today I swapped it for a bowtech guardian,what can I say about the envy -overrated,very over priced!!!!!!!!
70. Richard Furgeson | September 9th, 2007 at 9:33 am
I bought a Elite E-Force in October of 2006. I hunted with this bow that season. I really liked the way that it shot. I broke my bow out this year for the first time in August. I had been shooting for about 40 minutes and my bow blew up on me. I took it back to the dealer, who sent the bow back to Elite. Elite put a new string and cable on it and said that there was nothing wrong with this bow. I tried talk to Jeff, one of the owners of Elite, on the phone about the bow and he hangs up on me. He told my dealer that he had a bad cell phone connection, and that he just figured that I would just call him back. My dealer got the bow back 3 weeks later from Elite with the understanding that the bow was put back together and in perfect working order. I went to my dealers shop to pick the bow up and to resight it in. When I shot for the first time, I fired my release and the bow did not fire. It stayed locked in the fireing position. To make a long story short, Jeff is avoiding the calls from my dealer. Here it is a week from Missouri bow season (Septmber 15) and I still do not have a bow. I think that it is a good product, but the warranty and the management side sucks. I want Elite to stand behind their warrant that they advertise and do the right thing.
71. Jon Ulrey | October 1st, 2007 at 9:07 pm
I have shot a mathews,bowtech,and a PSE fireflite (its very old) PSE makes good bows.i recently bought a tomkat that is awesome.quiet, fast, and so so smooth. i love it and cant wait to use it in the field. Bowtech makes awesome bows but it is all in your head of which is better. the new drenalin by matthews is a great lite bow. but can you trust such little limbs. i feel like they would break kinda easily with a few arrows through it.
72. ubbrd | October 8th, 2007 at 6:58 am
G’day Richard. I read your comments regarding the Elite bow with much interest.
Based on what you have stated there is no way I’ll ever get an Elite. If the manufacturer just ducks & weaves & won’t rectify problems with their bows the word will get around the archery world and it will cost them many sales.
I am going to draw your comments to the attention of the many archers in my country as I believe they deserve to be made aware of what you have alleged and I’m sure many prospective buyers will think twice before committing to the purchase of Elite bows.
Thanks for making your problems with the Elite bow and the manufacturer public, you may well have saved other archers from going though the problems you have experienced.
Regards
ubbrd.
73. Michael Hamm | October 17th, 2007 at 9:56 am
Dear Sir,
I just bought my first Bowtech bow.I love it .I’ve been bow hunting for over 30 years I’ve owned about every bow coming down the road .I have to say This is the best bow I’ve ever had in my hands.I still have my Mathews,my PSE, my Hoyt, and several other bows but I hunt with my Bowtech. I just killed my first wild boar this past Sat. 10/13/2007 my first kill with my Allegiance ,it’s bar/none the best bow I’ve ever owned. The Mathews a good bow and the rest are good bows but I’m a Bowtech fan now and will be as long as you keep producing this beautiful ,smooth top of the line equitment.Now guy’s that my choice as long as I have a choice,and to Mr. Strother marring the Martin girl thats his choice . If he is a true hearted and devoted Bowtech personel He should know on a bad day Martin Bows couldn’t begin to compete with Bowtech . So why the worry? As long as you have true bow hunters like me that know the difference in a good bow and a great bow no problem. In short I wouldn’t worry a single second about his choice in women but if for some dumb reason his taste for great bows sour then put him outside looking in . Thanks guys for putting me onto a great bow I LOVE IT!
Michael Hamm
Bow Hunter
74. don | October 31st, 2007 at 11:03 am
I am considering a bowtech equalizer, 27.5 with 40 to 50 lb pull. I spoke with one person that said there was a flaw in bow at 27.5. It would cant to the right of left. Has anyone had any problems with the equalizer?
thanks
75. Rob | October 31st, 2007 at 12:36 pm
#74 Don, I shot for bowtech for two years….when the equalizer cam came out went back to Hoyt. My cams leaned and I couldnt controll my left or rights. With a draw of 27.5″ there are many options out there. Whatever it is be sure to shoot first and get properly fitted. Good Luck!
76. Jordan | November 6th, 2007 at 5:20 pm
I just recently bout an 2007 bowtech tribute..(the best bow!)…i was for the past four years shooting a pse…and after i picked up the new tribute i sold my PSE the very next day…Bowtech is great brand of bow and in MY OPINION very reliable…i have also shot a number of mathews bows and am still currently and avid bowtech bow hunter…REFUSE TO FOLLOW!
77. T. Miller | November 17th, 2007 at 9:33 pm
I’m trying to decide what brand of bow to buy. Owned Bear, Jennings, High country, and 2 mathews. $$$ is getting way out of control, I do like the quality feel of mathews, but not for $700.00 plus. Seems like Bear and other founding companys are on the back burners…mostly think its because people buy what there buddys have. My friend just got an elite, thought it was quite a piece, for the $. After reading all these comments, even more leary on what to do. Perhaps I’ll just go get a good old Bear, except they have John Deer geen (Primos) colors, ugly!
78. Billy | November 20th, 2007 at 8:21 pm
I have been shooting a bowtech for 5 years. I started with a stalker. I then upgraded to a tomkat. Now I am shooting a tribute and i love it. It is smooth, fast, and quiet. I never hear any noise, and i shoot it a lot. I am a bowtech fan 100%. I would reccomend a bowtech to any one, and i do. They are the best! Thats why i am a three-peat customer! I would definitely dismiss any nasty rumors.
79. terry | November 22nd, 2007 at 8:24 pm
i own a 05 justice. and have owned pse hoyt matthews and would never go back 9 deer down and very pleased.thanks tomy buddy steve i made the right choice.quite reliable awsome huntin bow.i display my bowtech proudly in the back window of my favorite truck with my bowtech sticker just like steve.thank you bowtech.
80. jack | November 25th, 2007 at 11:05 pm
i just bought a tomkat and it is by far the best bow i ever had. its fast and smooth and i have no problems or complaints about it
81. John | December 1st, 2007 at 12:09 pm
i have been debating on buying either PSE X force or Bowtech Gaurdain or the Tribute. but from what i have read i see that there is alot of limb problems with the Bowtech’s plus my local deal that used to dealer that use to carry bowtech also backs this up.
kind of want to hear from the guys and gals that actaully shoot them thank.
so help a old dog out!
still shootin a proline that i bought 22 years ago.
thanks in advance for all that reply
JVB
82. ralph briese | December 2nd, 2007 at 11:39 am
I have had the good fortune to not just try out but own many many different bows from PSE, HOYT,MATHEWS,& BOWTECH. I am a Bowtech shooter by my choice. I had 3 Bowtechs with problems- a 2004 Patriot single cam- 4 sets of cracked limbs, a 2004 Liberty- 1 set of cracked limbs, & a 2005 alliegiance - 1 set of cracked limbs. No, I did not shoot to light of an arrow nor did I drop or dry fire them. The problem was that all 3 made it out the factory with wrong rockers installed under the limbs. The rockers for these bows needed to have the 2 raised pressure points to be located on the out side edge of each rocker top & bottom limbs. They all had rockers with just a single pressure point in the center of each rocker causing un do stress on the limbs causing hair line cracks right down the center of the limbs.which got bigger. The reason the Patriot had so many limbs was the dealer lacked the knowledge to catch this problem & finally sent bow back to the factory for repairs - limbs & rockers. The other 2 bows were warranty repaired at a different dealers shop who knew what was going on. All this cost me not a dime! Yes there was frustration & aggravation- but when bows shoot & Feel this good I can over look a lot. I sold 3 new HOYTS-in favor of a 2005 Patriot. Also I have a 2006 Allegiance & a custom Bowtech Declaration 4. I hunt whitetails & shoot 3-d & indoor shoots. For just my entertainment I shoot long range out 120 yards. The size of the 5 arrow groups would surpise you! Bowtechs do perform!
83. Stan Sorenson | December 12th, 2007 at 8:47 am
Thanks for the comments sent in by unbias individuals. Just bought 2 bowtech’s for my boys for Christmas at the Sportsman Warehouse. Both are the Diamond Vital Impact package set at 70# with a 29 inch draw. Great bows! Easy to shoot, quiet, fast and affordable. I do agree that the owners manuals leave a lot to be desired and the stickers on the btm limb are horrible. One sticker has already lost cable and string lenghts. I’m sure there are many great bows out there but I don’t think many hunters would have any problems with a Bowtech.
84. Jerry Goodwin | December 17th, 2007 at 6:23 pm
I have had a Bowtech Patriot for three years and have taken deer and turkey with no problems.I have owned many bows,mostly PSE.Since I have had the Patriot,I would not buy another brand of bow.I am looking at the new 82nd Airborne to buy this year.Bowtech equipment has my full confidence,and when I have confidence in my equipment,I am most successful.
85. Allen Clement | December 24th, 2007 at 7:36 pm
I have own four Mathews bows the latest an Switchback. Last year I bought an 2007 Tomkat. I have taken an 5 by 5 bull elk 10 point buck and 2 does with it. I have bought my last bow this Tomkat is the best bow I have ever had.
86. Kevin Farris | December 29th, 2007 at 5:07 pm
Who is the designer now at BowTech? I like the names for the new models for 2008. They resemble Elite. Now I know why. Drama…drama…drama…
87. MARK LOTHENORE | February 3rd, 2008 at 10:21 pm
I NEED TO REMOVE THE GRIP ON MY MATTEWS DRENALIN AND TRY ANOTHER. HOW CAN IT BE SAFETLY REMOVED?
88. mark | February 17th, 2008 at 9:10 am
i have a blackknight right now and i’m looking at a 82nd airbourne and was looking for feedback from someone that might own one or has shot one thanks
89. Cliff | February 17th, 2008 at 6:41 pm
Been bowhunting for 35 years. Shot competative college and after. Killed many deer and a bear. Shot Jennings, PSE and love my Hoyt Alphatec. BUT. I just shot my nieghbors Bowtech Guardian. The five arrows in the group were all touching. That is the smoothest shooting bow I’ve ever shot. I will have one within a month…………….
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90. Corey B. James | February 21st, 2008 at 12:43 pm
I purchased a new Equalizer in 2006 when they came out and never looked back. I have a 27.5″ draw and set at the full 60lbs down to 54 lbs, this little bow is a deer and elk killer with the right broadheads, it will do anything any of the 80lbs bow will do and nearly at the same speeds. I own a Tribute set at 68lbs and a Guardian at 70 lbs. They are very smooth bows. Because they are so smooth, I set out to design the perfect release only to find that Scott’s James-Greene and Carter take a lead here:
Check out my blog http://bowreleaseaids.blogspot.com
I developed a device that allows the use of the Gator Jaw on the Scott’s Strap and also an adaptation device to move from Scott’s to TruBall releases and some Carter releases.
Love the BowTech Bow! Also had Parker, Martin and PSE and Hoyt. Hands down the Bowtechs are smooth and reliable.
Corey
91. chris | March 16th, 2008 at 11:26 am
is it true that bowtech bows have a problem with the stings slipping of when you draw them back
92. Stuart Fowler | May 7th, 2008 at 5:58 am
I snapped a cable slide on my 60 lb Allegiance, actually it broke. The plastic broke. My dealer told me this is a common problem with the BowTech, and gladly sold me another for $4.00 which doesn’t seem like much. But he had a bag of about 30 of them, they must sell alot. That would signal manufacturing defect, material flaw, or design flaw. They may break after 50-100-1000 shots, they couldn’t say, just they will break. I have had Dartons, Bear bows for over 35 years, and never broke a cable slide………….My Allegiance is a great bow, but a $0.20 piece of plastic makes it Junk., unreliable, and even hazardous.
93. Terry | May 23rd, 2008 at 5:15 pm
I have shot the 82nd and also own one great and fast shooting bow.I think if you like speed it’s a bow for you
94. Darrin | August 30th, 2008 at 6:20 am
Hello all I am curently shooting a diomond. It has taken me along time to get used to it, Still not sure i like it, I know that it is suposed to be a bow tech, but cumon is it realy? it sure dont feel like my old martin did. IM seriously thinking of going back to martin. As far a someones personal life, i think that it is only personal if it only involves them, not the rest of the company or others. So are they correct in firing him? who knows, they obviously did what they thougt best for their company/ who can blame them for that!
95. Seth | September 9th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
I have owned a bowteh Tomcat for this being my third year. I have broken three cable slides (one while drawing on a 180 class mule deer) That didn’t make me happy, but I have killed 4 deer 1 bear and 2 bulls in three years. Bow does its job poking holes in the animals just fine.
I also just had my bow in shop for an extreme makeover. Shot great for months, then three weeks before elk season this year, can’t hit a plate at twenty and they arrows are visually spiraling towards the target. Brought in my bow and complained, archery shop said it was me, took it to a larger shop and they took it apart. Blamed it on my string length and stretching, fixed the string and gave it back, still shot poorly, took it to sportsmans warehouse in Missoula to the most knowledgable guy I know and he fixed the problem. Bearings in the cam had rusted and needed replaced. (Guess I shouldn’t hunt in poor weather conditions anymore ha) irregardless small problems for a great bow at a great price will do for me. The bow broke down but the rght place backed it up! Thanks Bowtech!
96. ubbrd | September 24th, 2008 at 5:13 am
Is anyone having problems with the cams on the 08 Bowtech Commander?
I have seen one Commander with bent cams at the string posts due to the very thin metal metal at the post area.
The owner, an engineer, contacted Bowtech and explained the problem but he recieved a one line reply fobbing of the problem. Apparently the solution is to make the cams a bit thicker in the string post area (40 thou thicker metal strenthens the camsl in the problem aresa by 8 times.
I have also heard of onother Commander owner who had to replace cables 5 times due to the modules cutting into the serving then the string. This owner eventually recognised the problem and had to have the modules machined (at his own expense) as the grooves where the serving fits were very roughly finished, again Bowtech wanted to know nothing about the problem.
I shoot an 07 Bowtech Constitutution & apart from the very poor Chrome finish (flaking off) I find it excellent to shoot in tournament archey but, based on what I have seen & heard I don’t think I will ever consider buying a Bowtech Commander.
97. Bill | November 2nd, 2008 at 9:43 pm
Just got a 2008 Allegiance in a trade. Thought maybe I made a mistake trading my switchback. But after shooting the allegiance, I was pleasantly surprised. Wow, is all I can say. I never thought I would shoot a bow that was more smooth than my switchback but the allegiance is! It is a 60-70# bow and pulls with less draw than the switchback and it was 50-60#. Very happy and pleased.
98. 3dshooter | November 10th, 2008 at 10:39 pm
I own a 07 guardian and i must say that it is very much a pleasure to shoot. I have had some problems with losing e-clips, which isnt a big deal for all bows can lose them ,but have noticed that the machined hole in the top limb where the axel pin for the cam goes throw was improperly machined. The local dealer that i deal with is excellent and has ordered another set of top limbs under warranty.I have also gone on the Bowtech website and emailed about the problem and have not heard back from them, its been over 2 months now. I have shot Hoyt before and loved the Xtech and ultraelite and may goe back to them for my next bow. I found the Guardian to be somewhat cheaply made where hoyt seems to manufacture a slower bow on the average but to me ,builds a much better limb pocket and have no problems with their limbs nor have I heard from any other hoyt shooters .
99. crash 25 | December 5th, 2008 at 6:00 pm
im getting a bow for christmas and im looking at the the rock by diamond. Im 14 and only pull back bout 45 and i was trying to figure out if the rock was easy to adjust the draw weight and not haved to remove the limbs but idk so reply to this and im new to hunting.
100. John | March 1st, 2009 at 9:38 am
Yo can a 30-40 poundage bow kill a wild turkey
101. David | March 19th, 2009 at 6:05 pm
I have a 2008 bowtech allegiance and like it very well, its rifle like in velocity and accuracy. I dont care whos doinkin who at the bow companies, or whos says what about whoever. Bowtech has proven customer service, and will take care of any and all issues very quickly and professionally. The limb thing is a great debate. There was a problem with certain limbs on certain models a few years ago, I never heard of any that they did not take care of quickly. To me if you want the best, you want a mathews or a bowtech, I preferred the feel and shooting of the bowtech. I do wish I would of got the 80 lb limbs though……
102. Joe Purdy | August 14th, 2009 at 10:02 pm
I have an Allegience set at 60#, shoot 7595 gold tips at 28 in. I can’t seem to tune the thing so as to get rid of an arrow kicking sideways. I’ve tried moving the rest,(whisker biscuit), and can’t get a no-tear hole thru paper. Any one have a suggestion?
103. Mike | September 2nd, 2009 at 11:47 pm
I have a 2005 bowtech aliegiance and I’m here to say the bottom limb completely busted right at the edge of the limb pocket. As anyone would be I’m very disappointed in bowtech as they are not standing up to their product. I’m currently fighting for a new bow because now I don’t know what it did to the riser. Bowtech will replace the limbs at dealers discretion but the dealer for not have equipment to check riser for any stress cracks. So I’m asking if you were in my shoes would you want a new bow, and for them to stand behind their product since they claim to be the best…'’Refuse to Follow'’.
104. JDB | October 8th, 2009 at 11:43 am
I have shot many bows in the past. Started out with a Darton of all things (early 80’s). Eventually moved into the Bowtech line with the first generation Patriot. Robin hooded the second arrow though it. LOL. Fun at first, but after trashing a couple dozen arrows you find yourself looking for the spaces “between” the knocks. Due to military obligations, I knew it would be a while before I had th chance to shoot again so sold off all my equipment in anticipation of returning to new, faster, better, quieter, more accurate equipment. Ended up picking up the new Diamond Ice Man. HOLY COW! Quiet, accurate, quick and perfect for tree stand/blind shooting! I was impacting arrows 5 min after slapping sights on the thing. Great new hunting bow. For the dot chaser in me….I actually went for a used bow since I just dropped so much into my new hunting bow. Ended up grabbing a good deal on an 06 Consitution. Binary cams and all….outshoots the Hoyt Ultratec I used in competition. Yes I said the 4 letter H word. I used to shoot the Olympic Training Center in San Diego. Everyone had one…you get the picture. Although down there, I got some odd looks when I broke out the camo Patriot and stepped up to the line. LOL. Regardless, I was and remain utterly impressed with the Bowtech lines and now including the Diamond line bows. Good job guys!
BTW….lose the string stock string dampners and just go with good ‘ol rubber whiskers. Both mine were completly gone within 2 dozen arrows anyway. But that is trivial. Still the best bows hands down.
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