130 responses

  1. Cooper
    October 13, 2008

    Well spoken Texas West….we all may not hunt the same way or appreciate the way others may but its all in what floats your boat. We do need to stick together at the end of the day though because we may loose these rights if we don’t

  2. jonathan
    October 21, 2008

    The way I see it texas deregulated elk they are considerd a exotic spieceis in the state of texas I don’t think it should make the books because of the state it was killed in

  3. Woody
    November 27, 2008

    I just bought a small ranch right smack dab in the middle of where these elk are. There are no fences for miles around and I do not plan on fencing. So my sons and I hope that some of these free-ranging elk will paay us a visit. Congratulations on such a wonderful BULL. A wise man once told me that a thropy is in the eye of the beholder. And if the boys and I ever get a chance to harvest an ELK, it will be free-ranging. Again the Bull is breathtalking and one to be pround of and remember for what he accomplished in his long lifetime.

  4. El Paso
    December 2, 2008

    I honestly don’t know the complete history of this particular kill (and neither do the rest of you).

    I can tell you that is is definately plausable that this animal was as wild and free ranging as any (Yes ANY) elk taken in North America.

    This is an extremely rugged, VAST and untamed region we are talking about folks.

    We are so married to the artificial boundries we call states it is nauseating sometimes.

    This part of “Texas” is BY FAR more similar to most of Southern New Mexico than the other two thirds of the state.

    There are NO native elk left in New Mexico by the way. They were extirpated long ago.

    What a stunning example of the species.

  5. george evans
    December 8, 2008

    Nice article, Im glad the truth was discovered about it being a high fence bull, and ranch bull, I just don’t see how any man can be proud of that. People hunting ranches are giving us real hunters a bad image, trying to claim huge bulls all the time its a new record!!!If you ask me thats not hunting at all.

  6. jace
    December 8, 2008

    Ranch hunters, fence hunters, its a joke people hunt for horns anymore and its a tragic blow to hunting. The size of the horns on the animal is not what matters and I wouldn’t want to hunt with a man like that.

  7. EcoRover
    December 10, 2008

    A lot of this discussion begs the question: elk (and other game) should not be raised like livestock.

    It spreads disease like CWD from domestic to wild animals, and it promotes unethical canned hunts.

    Any game farm escapee should be treated like rogue livestock, and not as wild, fair-chase game. No record book.

    As someone pointed out, many game farm animals are fed steroids and other “supplements” to grow big racks.

    Geez, as hunters and a hunting nation, is this what we’ve come to?

  8. elkkilla
    December 22, 2008

    well it is not a wide bull but i will
    give you your mass and points.

  9. Doug
    December 31, 2008

    Nice bull. Nice article that covers all the angles. I enjoyed reading it a lot more than all these posts. Only a few were worth the time.
    Sounds like the guy had no idea it was “ranch-raised” or had ever had a tag. For that matter, the hole in his ear could have easily been a bullet hole.
    I have only ever seen ONE (and only one) that might come close in Idaho, and I would shoot it in a second if allowed. Until then, raghorns and cows taste fine.

  10. howell clark
    January 28, 2009

    great article so balanced and fair what a relief from the usual politcal slant in so many sport reports

  11. Stetson
    April 8, 2009

    For the 50,000th time, “Nice Bull.” By the way, the claim made above by “El Paso” that there are no native elk left in New Mexico is bull, no pun intended. However, I do agree with his statement that West Texas is vast and untamed. I believe that there are native elk left in Texas or at least some that have wandered down from New Mexico. Most folks are unaware of the fact that species such as elk, black bears, and even grizzlies are native to Texas, though most of them were killed out in the 1800s (all of the grizzlies, most of the black bears and elk). I would like to see these species make a comeback. Also, all you tree huggers need to quit whining and stay out of Texas’ business. If you don’t like hunting, don’t read hunting articles. You can take your Bambi mentality somewhere else. Keep Texas wild.

  12. Ash
    June 5, 2009

    I don’t have a problem with hunting. I live in Mississippi so I am around it all the time and even went hunting when I was younger with my dad. But something that big and magnificent should have been left alive. I guess all we could hope for is that he was able to get his genes out.

  13. joe
    June 7, 2009

    I worked down there in the oil fields. all of the elk that I saw had eartags which means that they were all imported, probably from new mexico where elk are meant to be!

  14. Rick Payne
    July 15, 2009

    Hi Guy’s,
    The Elk (Wapiti) that was harvested here is magnificent, and yes this Bull is most definately an “exceptable example” of nature at it’s “Best”……….on the other hand, the other bull (trash talk), would also be an “exceptable example” of nature at it’s “Worst”!!!…………..Please remember that we are blessed to be able to enjoy these awesome creatures, and that when you are layin your head on the pillow at night,….. you know what’s right and wrong!!!!……………….Work with the facts, throw out the opinions, and understand that we are not in a posistion to point the finger!!

    P.S. Antlers not horns, are what these animals have topside……they are replaced every year by something better, or possibly larger…..and the beauty of the animal is greater than the bounty, although the best looking Elk or Deer I have ever seen, was on the barbeque grill!!!
    Rick/Traditional bowhunter!!

  15. Greg Taylor
    July 16, 2009

    Nice bull but several disturbing facts are misguided. First is the mention of how Eastern and Merriams subspecies became extinct. This was not due to hunting but as a result of Market hunting. Hunting as a managed practice did not cause the extinctions. Secondly it is disturbing that elk are being released from farm operations which introduces the great chance of spreading diseases into wild populations. CWD, Tuberculosis and Brucellosis as prime concerns! This is a prime concern and dangerous to our wildlife!!

  16. shane
    October 30, 2009

    it should be in the B&C, it doesnt matter that elk are not native to texas because we raise them and sell them them to new mexico and colorado ranches anyway

  17. magdalene
    November 8, 2009

    The only bull in this picture and story is the kind left after the cows come home. The model is as real as a 3 dollar bill.

  18. Nicho
    November 23, 2009

    things sure are a lot different in Montana, where a trophy comes from hours of effort not dollar bills in the back pocket. regardless to all this talk about legit hunting ethics and the debate between grain/steroid fed, this is a lot better than climbing out of a jeep and blasting an elephant bull from 15 yards and claiming “an amazing hunt”. Congrats to you on the bull.

  19. Kacey
    January 26, 2010

    What a joke. That bull is huge, but they get that way when they are selectively bred on a farm. Even the friggin ranch owner admitted it had a hole from a tag in its ear. I dont have a problem with the guy paying money to shoot a huge bull, thats what the majority of hunting is moving towards. Just dont try and tell me west texas is an elk mecca that could naturally produce a bull that size without selective genetics. Also, what elk couldnt live 8+ years in texas, where are the predators? coyotes? Mountain lions? gimme a break it was released full grown. it has no competition for food, cattle cant jump fences. if coyotes and cats were so hard on elk then why were’nt western elk killed off till wolves were re-introduced? where are the grizzly bears? hey texas elk experts, are there free ranging herds of grizzlies too? Just because it isnt in a high fence doesnt make it natural. I am glad there are herds upon herds of huge elk in texas. All you texas hunt masters dont have to come to Montana.

  20. Dale Parker
    January 28, 2010

    Congrats on the nice bull. I think anyone on here would’ve pulled the trigger on him. I live here in the area and work on a place that neighbors the CF. I don’t know if the hunter reads this blog or not…I kind of hope he doesn’t. It’s a shame to me to hear all the bashing of this guy. Hunting has changed over the years…most of us aren’t trying to feed our families. Those of you disparaging these trophy hunters don’t seem to have any problem having their license fees subsidize your public lands. I’m all about maintaining the integrity of fair chase, and I probably never will be able to pay for a really great elk…but I don’t have to trash the guy that can, unless he’s putting a bullet in something they just kicked out of a trailer. That’s not the case wtih this bull. There’s sure been a whole lot of talk from folks that don’t live around here,speculating on this hunt. Ronnie sure didn’t shoot him out of a feed bucket on the CF. You can say all you want about where folks should hunt, but in Texas this is our option…small percentage of public land. That talk about “this ain’t Europe” smacks of redistribution of wealth. My opinion is this guy has nothing to be ashamed of…he took a great bull on a fair chase hunt. After the fact it seems this bull may have come off a game ranch, but he’s been running wild for a long time, and Ronnie didn’t get to see his pedigree prior to laying him down. I can see why he couldn’t be in the books, with him being born on a game ranch and all. I really don’t see Texas elk ever being recognized because there’s just too much money to be made releasing these elk to sell for high dollar hunts. Even if they were to somehow legislate the release of bulls, I don’t know if the herd would thrive based on the amount of habitat and predation. Anyway, good bull no matter what and nice to be able to discuss him. Good hunting!

  21. oneshot
    March 26, 2010

    I lived in the Fort Davis/Alpine area for several years. There have been elk there for many more than 7-8 years. For all of you folks who do not know it, Mount Livermore, northwest of Fort Davis, has seen the harvest of several large bulls, none of which have ever had ear tags. They were born there and, having been on hunts, the terrain is mountainous with pine trees, etc. and no fences. The animals are “free range”, not fed, and the hunts are real.

  22. John
    August 19, 2010

    In the 1950’s and ’60’s a rich old man named Cap Yates brought in many elk in the southern part of the Glass Mountains near Marathon Texas. These Elk populated and spread across the range and over the years some wound up in the Davis Mountains between Alpine and Fort Davis. The distance is not that great. I have seen many 300+ class bulls during my cowboying days in that country. They are sparse, but still there. I doubt if this bull was a CF import. One Ranch, near the original Cap Yates property, where he is buried in a high canyon by the way, used to wake us up bugling just a few hundred yards from our bunkhouse. He was as reliable as a rooster and would have scored well over 350 BC. We never bothered the elk because it was just kind of cool having them around, except for the fact that they play immortal hell on fences.

  23. cw
    October 11, 2010

    there is no high fence between nm and texas. so elk have crossed into texas and vice-versa forever. same as pronghorn. the country in question is desolate and extremely rugged.

  24. Adam
    November 2, 2010

    Nice Bull, thats all im going to say about that.

  25. bubba
    November 26, 2010

    In the 1950 Cap Yates brought elk in to the glass mountains.
    No elk before that there or in the the davis mountains. The elk in question was brought in and raised and feed. Either by CF Ranch Or Beal ranch. In no way should this be a record although it is a great elk.
    The terrian is not that good the have an elk that good in this area without feeding thern. Those ranches feed them all the time. I was raised here and my family came to davis monutaina in 1896 an on the Marathon basin we were friend with Cap Yates. no natural elk no record

  26. justin
    December 10, 2010

    no biggie. I killed a bear the size of a jeep

  27. DavidM
    January 30, 2011

    An added thought- if you could breed them that big, promote them as a tourist attraction- the Prehistoric Elk park.

  28. Mike
    July 19, 2011

    I have a little land in the area and I have seen mule deer and pronghorn antelope but there is such tremendous pressure from cattle and sheep, and melon farms and irrigated golf courses and fences of course. Elk are native to the region since the Pleistocene folks, the wander freely between the TX and NM border. I have mixed feelings on trophy hunting but you know the facts are that hunting dollars have kept animal habitats INTACT around the planet from Africa to West Texas, which is a feat that no NGO or save the cuddly wuddly animals private non profit can do. I think there is a huge opportunity here–the Trans Pecos could be rewilded, cattle could be minimized and elk, bison, jaguars could be brought back to the region. The pronghorn antelope which have had a terrible time of it and the native Desert Bighorn sheep are also just hanging on as well, and they would thrive if the region gets on a campaign to replant with native grasses and forages. And thats just the mountain regions, there is a whole fast area between the mountains and the Pecos River and that whole region could be a new home for endangered Rhinos, The Somali Wild ass and some other african species–safari eco tourism would be a sustainable and lucrative industry to revitalize the region, which is in a constant state of semi depression and drought. The hospitality industry on down would benefit–it would revitalize the ecology and be sustainable..in my eyes, unless I am totally niave it would be a win win all around…Mike

  29. Terry Honeycutt
    July 26, 2011

    It’s all about the money, what does the Elk know about high fences or for that matter any fence. Just because they are protected by private property, and fences does that mean there not a trophy. You people act if they were a hybred or some special cross breed Elk. it all has to do with longjevity, nutrition and not being persued on a daily basis. Folks an Elk is a Elk. But as I stated in the first part of this response it’s about money, It’s also about very jelous people wanting it all to theirself, to charge hunters more money. I’m suprised someone has not sued these outfitters for charging higher fees for trophy animals, if there are not farm raised like cattle then they are public property, managed by the game department. Therefore, the Lacey act will prevail, no different in selling game animal parts than charging more for a animal that God has created in a old trophy size.

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