http://blog.kingsoutdoorworld.com/2006/09/14/160-farm-elk-escape-from-idaho-preserve/ Behind the Scenes at King's Sun, 23 Nov 2008 09:45:39 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.2 http://blog.kingsoutdoorworld.com/2006/09/14/160-farm-elk-escape-from-idaho-preserve/#comment-124743 Sat, 01 Dec 2007 20:19:07 +0000 http://blog.kingsoutdoorworld.com/2006/09/14/160-farm-elk-escape-from-idaho-preserve/#comment-124743 JIM,I'm still waiting for your response.And to Montana Bill, everybody has an opinion,but dont believe,that your's is the correct one. JIM,I’m still waiting for your response.And to Montana Bill,
everybody has an opinion,but dont believe,that your’s is the correct one.

]]> http://blog.kingsoutdoorworld.com/2006/09/14/160-farm-elk-escape-from-idaho-preserve/#comment-118473 Sun, 11 Nov 2007 03:43:33 +0000 http://blog.kingsoutdoorworld.com/2006/09/14/160-farm-elk-escape-from-idaho-preserve/#comment-118473 To jim. I think you need to get your facts staight.CWD did not originate in farm raised elk. It originated in WILD!!! deer undergoing research by Colorado State University and the Colorado Division of Wildlife at Ft. Collins. Furthermore, Observational evidence and most theories suggest that CWD originated from the sheeps TSE disease where due to the close proximity of the sheep to the wild deer they may have randomly passed the disease on. To jim. I think you need to get your facts staight.CWD did not originate in farm raised elk. It originated in WILD!!! deer undergoing research by Colorado State University and the Colorado Division of Wildlife at Ft. Collins. Furthermore, Observational evidence and most theories suggest that CWD originated from the sheeps TSE disease where due to the close proximity of the sheep to the wild deer they may have randomly passed the disease on.

]]> http://blog.kingsoutdoorworld.com/2006/09/14/160-farm-elk-escape-from-idaho-preserve/#comment-59931 Sat, 26 May 2007 00:21:20 +0000 http://blog.kingsoutdoorworld.com/2006/09/14/160-farm-elk-escape-from-idaho-preserve/#comment-59931 Cronic wasting desease,can be traced back to the LaramieWY and Fort Colins CO Fish and Game Research Facilities in1967. The desease was not recognised,and the deer trade between those two facilities contaminated both Facilities.Some of the Animals where released back in to the wild,and some where given to the DenverZoo.The Denver Zoo,did sell some Elk and Deer to a elk farm,and also to a Zoo in Canada.Some of the animals died,but some of them did not.Around 1997 the first known Elk farm being infected,was I believe in Nebraska.The owner's name of the Farm was Ritterhausen.[I did send him a Contribution,like most Elk Farmers did.He lost everythink he had all his Animals where destroyed.]The Fish and Game Department,traced those Animals to several other Game Farm's and eventually back to the Denver Zoo.I did contact a former Manager [I met many Years ago]of the Laramie Research Facility,and he confirmed what I allready knew.Also he mentioned to contact the most knowledgeable person on this Desease.It was a Lady Biologist from a University in WY. [mayby Casper WY,I can not realy remember her Name] I did call her,and had a good conversation with her.Cronic Wasting Desease,has been around for a long time in the wild,but never recognised.The political solution was to cull all the wild Deer and Elk in south west WO.and north east CO.[the wildlife experts,where overruled by Politicians in the Departments.] It was not a smart thing to do,because only some Animals contracted the desease,and there was no danger of CWS entering the foodchain,because of the spacies barrier] After killing many Deer and Elk,and the ignorant public vorgot about CWS the departments let nature take it's course.The state of Wisconsin was a prime example of mass hysteria.Some sick wild Deer in Michigan where also blamed on a deerfarm, and after the state investigated ,it turned out that the wild deer infected the private herd.[about 1999]This all happened several years ago,and I have been out of the Elk Business since 2004 I enjoyed my Elk,[Certified TB free,Certfied Brucellosis free,how many Cattle and Hog Farmers are Certified?]and so did many people that visited my Farm.If you use a selective breading technique,over a few years you can raise some enormus Bulls,and this can be done with some effort.Dog Breeders,Horse Farms and the Cattle industry uses the same procedure,why cant a Deer or Elk Farmer not do it? Today most Elk Farms are gone,thanks to some ignorand members of our society,and ruining some good honest people that enjoyed to raise a beautifull Animal.[some like to raise hogs]Today CWD is known to move east,and a Rancher Friend of mine in far east WYcontacted the Game Department to make them aware of the dead deer he some times find's.The Instructions he got where,let nature take care of it,ignore it. At least somebody is using commonsnse,and keep the political correct CROWD in the dark. All I can say in closing "RESEARCH IS A WONDERFULLTHING" do it,get the fact's first,then make a statement. Cronic wasting desease,can be traced back to the LaramieWY
and Fort Colins CO Fish and Game Research Facilities in1967.
The desease was not recognised,and the deer trade between
those two facilities contaminated both Facilities.Some of the
Animals where released back in to the wild,and some where
given to the DenverZoo.The Denver Zoo,did sell some Elk and
Deer to a elk farm,and also to a Zoo in Canada.Some of the animals died,but some of them did not.Around 1997 the first
known Elk farm being infected,was I believe in Nebraska.The
owner’s name of the Farm was Ritterhausen.[I did send him a
Contribution,like most Elk Farmers did.He lost everythink he had
all his Animals where destroyed.]The Fish and Game Department,traced those Animals to several other Game Farm’s
and eventually back to the Denver Zoo.I did contact a former
Manager [I met many Years ago]of the Laramie Research
Facility,and he confirmed what I allready knew.Also he
mentioned to contact the most knowledgeable person on this
Desease.It was a Lady Biologist from a University in WY.
[mayby Casper WY,I can not realy remember her Name] I did
call her,and had a good conversation with her.Cronic Wasting
Desease,has been around for a long time in the wild,but never
recognised.The political solution was to cull all the wild Deer
and Elk in south west WO.and north east CO.[the wildlife
experts,where overruled by Politicians in the Departments.]
It was not a smart thing to do,because only some Animals
contracted the desease,and there was no danger of CWS
entering the foodchain,because of the spacies barrier] After
killing many Deer and Elk,and the ignorant public vorgot about
CWS the departments let nature take it’s course.The state
of Wisconsin was a prime example of mass hysteria.Some
sick wild Deer in Michigan where also blamed on a deerfarm,
and after the state investigated ,it turned out that the wild deer
infected the private herd.[about 1999]This all happened several
years ago,and I have been out of the Elk Business since 2004
I enjoyed my Elk,[Certified TB free,Certfied Brucellosis free,how many Cattle and Hog Farmers are Certified?]and so did many people that visited my Farm.If you use a selective
breading technique,over a few years you can raise some enormus Bulls,and this can be done with some effort.Dog
Breeders,Horse Farms and the Cattle industry uses the same
procedure,why cant a Deer or Elk Farmer not do it?
Today most Elk Farms are gone,thanks to some ignorand
members of our society,and ruining some good honest people
that enjoyed to raise a beautifull Animal.[some like to raise hogs]Today CWD is known to move east,and a Rancher Friend
of mine in far east WYcontacted the Game Department to
make them aware of the dead deer he some times find’s.The
Instructions he got where,let nature take care of it,ignore it.
At least somebody is using commonsnse,and keep the
political correct CROWD in the dark.
All I can say in closing “RESEARCH IS A WONDERFULLTHING”
do it,get the fact’s first,then make a statement.

]]> http://blog.kingsoutdoorworld.com/2006/09/14/160-farm-elk-escape-from-idaho-preserve/#comment-59468 Wed, 23 May 2007 19:03:47 +0000 http://blog.kingsoutdoorworld.com/2006/09/14/160-farm-elk-escape-from-idaho-preserve/#comment-59468 [...] Unfortunately, two scandals were the only news that came out of Idaho in regards to big bulls. The first scandal was an Internet spoof over a supposed Selway-Bitterroot 575 archery bull; and the second was over 100 escaped elk from a high-fence ranch. The escaped elk caused a firestorm of criticism over high-fenced hunting ranches while people searched high and low on the Internet trying to find out if the 575 Selway-Bitterroot archery elk was legit. Droves of visitors swamped our King’s Blog for answers. After all was said and done, the 575 archery elk from Idaho was actually a 560 rifle elk from a high-fence ranch in Quebec, Canada. [...] […] Unfortunately, two scandals were the only news that came out of Idaho in regards to big bulls. The first scandal was an Internet spoof over a supposed Selway-Bitterroot 575 archery bull; and the second was over 100 escaped elk from a high-fence ranch. The escaped elk caused a firestorm of criticism over high-fenced hunting ranches while people searched high and low on the Internet trying to find out if the 575 Selway-Bitterroot archery elk was legit. Droves of visitors swamped our King’s Blog for answers. After all was said and done, the 575 archery elk from Idaho was actually a 560 rifle elk from a high-fence ranch in Quebec, Canada. […]

]]> http://blog.kingsoutdoorworld.com/2006/09/14/160-farm-elk-escape-from-idaho-preserve/#comment-14170 Sun, 29 Oct 2006 02:54:03 +0000 http://blog.kingsoutdoorworld.com/2006/09/14/160-farm-elk-escape-from-idaho-preserve/#comment-14170 You know if we go around in this world and continue to make uneducated and uninformed decisions regarding people's livelihood and personal rights, we are all in BIG trouble. Please visit our Idaho Elk Breeders Website @ www.thetruthaboutelk.org for anyone who wishes to make informed decisions and or opinions in regards to this most important matter. F&G uses scare tactics (i.e. disease, genetic impurities) to springboard their own political agendas. If we allow them to ban Idaho Elk Ranching based on lies and not proven scientific data, then we are doing a dis-service to all hunter's rights and rancher's rights. There has never been 1 positive disease test on ANY Idaho domesticated elk, period. ALL are tested for genetic purity. 1/3 of those slaughtered "escapees" have been tested and ALL were negative for diseases and parasites. And by golly they were ALL Pure Elk, what do you know? You know if we go around in this world and continue to make uneducated and uninformed decisions regarding people’s livelihood and personal rights, we are all in BIG trouble. Please visit our Idaho Elk Breeders Website @ www.thetruthaboutelk.org for anyone who wishes to make informed decisions and or opinions in regards to this most important matter. F&G uses scare tactics (i.e. disease, genetic impurities) to springboard their own political agendas. If we allow them to ban Idaho Elk Ranching based on lies and not proven scientific data, then we are doing a dis-service to all hunter’s rights and rancher’s rights. There has never been 1 positive disease test on ANY Idaho domesticated elk, period. ALL are tested for genetic purity. 1/3 of those slaughtered “escapees” have been tested and ALL were negative for diseases and parasites. And by golly they were ALL Pure Elk, what do you know?

]]> http://blog.kingsoutdoorworld.com/2006/09/14/160-farm-elk-escape-from-idaho-preserve/#comment-12132 Thu, 12 Oct 2006 16:51:15 +0000 http://blog.kingsoutdoorworld.com/2006/09/14/160-farm-elk-escape-from-idaho-preserve/#comment-12132 [...] Idaho has defintely been the center of much of this attention. Last year in 2005, a huge 502 SCI bull was doing the rounds on the Internet and email that we posted here to help clear up the confusion. It was a bull taken on an Idaho high fence hunting preserve. Then in 2006 things took a bad turn as we reported that 160 domesticated elk escaped into the wild from an Idaho game farm. This is a very heated topic and pretty bad situation that the the land owners, Fish and Game, local sportsmen and the Governor’s office are all involved in. Of course we can’t forget our recent stint of confusion as the “claimed” Selway-Bitteroot 575 Idaho elk turned out to be a high fence elk from Quebec. [...] […] Idaho has defintely been the center of much of this attention. Last year in 2005, a huge 502 SCI bull was doing the rounds on the Internet and email that we posted here to help clear up the confusion. It was a bull taken on an Idaho high fence hunting preserve. Then in 2006 things took a bad turn as we reported that 160 domesticated elk escaped into the wild from an Idaho game farm. This is a very heated topic and pretty bad situation that the the land owners, Fish and Game, local sportsmen and the Governor’s office are all involved in. Of course we can’t forget our recent stint of confusion as the “claimed” Selway-Bitteroot 575 Idaho elk turned out to be a high fence elk from Quebec. […]

]]> http://blog.kingsoutdoorworld.com/2006/09/14/160-farm-elk-escape-from-idaho-preserve/#comment-11524 Fri, 06 Oct 2006 02:56:44 +0000 http://blog.kingsoutdoorworld.com/2006/09/14/160-farm-elk-escape-from-idaho-preserve/#comment-11524 To 41: The wolves they transplanted are a different species than what was originally in Yellowstone. They came from the Nordeg and Cadamin area of Alberta. My son and I went up to Nirdeg toi hunt wolves in 2003 december. The tag is $5 CAN and you can get more than one. The moose in that area are Canadian Moose, not the smaller Shiras. The whitetails are the biggest I've ever seen body wise, I think the does are as big as mule deer bucks in Montana and they have very small ears. Even though it only 800 miles away, the zone is boreal spruce - no really tall trees, but thick spruce forests. It is very different than Yellowstone and so were the WOLVES they captured there. They were transplanted on one condition - they could never be returned to ALberta! Ed Bangs and his Crewe violated every species law and they did it boldly. They might as well bring siberian tigers, a specie that really needs help and requires large elk and deer populations. They could call them mountain lions! To 41:
The wolves they transplanted are a different species than what was originally in Yellowstone. They came from the Nordeg and Cadamin area of Alberta. My son and I went up to Nirdeg toi hunt wolves in 2003 december. The tag is $5 CAN and you can get more than one.
The moose in that area are Canadian Moose, not the smaller Shiras. The whitetails are the biggest I’ve ever seen body wise, I think the does are as big as mule deer bucks in Montana and they have very small ears. Even though it only 800 miles away, the zone is boreal spruce - no really tall trees, but thick spruce forests. It is very different than Yellowstone and so were the WOLVES they captured there. They were transplanted on one condition - they could never be returned to ALberta!
Ed Bangs and his Crewe violated every species law and they did it boldly. They might as well bring siberian tigers, a specie that really needs help and requires large elk and deer populations. They could call them mountain lions!

]]> http://blog.kingsoutdoorworld.com/2006/09/14/160-farm-elk-escape-from-idaho-preserve/#comment-11500 Fri, 06 Oct 2006 01:01:08 +0000 http://blog.kingsoutdoorworld.com/2006/09/14/160-farm-elk-escape-from-idaho-preserve/#comment-11500 Lets leave the wild ones wild. we have all ready ruined the buffalo, the introduction of the wolf was a spit in the eye to are great grandfathers and grandfathers, a mistake that will be paid for with loss of big game animals and time, to me that is to high a price. These elk that got loose, they didnt really get loose they just did what they are supposed to do. And the ones that dont get taken by hunters, predation and starvation will be picked off on a winter feed ground in wyoming. I live to hunt, hunt to live. I know that people are critics of everything especially when they dont have the facts. Im an avid archery hunter from wyoming and if Idaho wants to keep sending us the cream of the crop, then i guess there's nothing i can do, except for maybe bugle one in........ Lets leave the wild ones wild. we have all ready ruined the buffalo, the introduction of the wolf was a spit in the eye to are great grandfathers and grandfathers, a mistake that will be paid for with loss of big game animals and time, to me that is to high a price. These elk that got loose, they didnt really get loose they just
did what they are supposed to do. And the ones that dont get taken by hunters, predation and starvation will be picked off on a
winter feed ground in wyoming. I live to hunt, hunt to live. I know that people are critics of everything especially when they dont have the facts. Im an avid archery hunter from wyoming and if Idaho wants to keep sending us the cream of the crop, then i guess there’s nothing i can do, except for maybe bugle one in……..

]]> http://blog.kingsoutdoorworld.com/2006/09/14/160-farm-elk-escape-from-idaho-preserve/#comment-11357 Thu, 05 Oct 2006 03:02:28 +0000 http://blog.kingsoutdoorworld.com/2006/09/14/160-farm-elk-escape-from-idaho-preserve/#comment-11357 from one Idaho hunter... I hope they outlaw farm raised elk, then we don't have these problems like this one. heck the dude that owns the ranch was just arrested for obstruction. Do away with this farm hunting and kill as many wolfs as you can!!!!! from one Idaho hunter… I hope they outlaw farm raised elk, then we don’t have these problems like this one. heck the dude that owns the ranch was just arrested for obstruction. Do away with this farm hunting and kill as many wolfs as you can!!!!!

]]> http://blog.kingsoutdoorworld.com/2006/09/14/160-farm-elk-escape-from-idaho-preserve/#comment-11349 Thu, 05 Oct 2006 01:48:08 +0000 http://blog.kingsoutdoorworld.com/2006/09/14/160-farm-elk-escape-from-idaho-preserve/#comment-11349 This issue is we meddle way too much with our wildlife, we try to be god. The poor elk that lived without wolves for 100 years lost their knowledge/instincts of how to handle this predator. This has been devastating to elk herds in Idaho. The wolves introduced into Idaho were not the native wolves of old. My favorite archery spots are vacant and eerily quiet. Idaho Girl states "there is this thing called Mother Nature", however that does not include humans meddling. Fish hatcheries have screwed up native fisheries and elk farms will do the same to our elk herds if allowed to continue. Take a look at Australia and see how well humans have played "Mother Nature". It is disgusting that someone that pays to shoot such a magnificent animal tries to call himself a hunter. I have nothing but feelings of repulsion when I here about these Antler Whores paying for their trophy. They are not hunters, they are some corporate yuppie that doesn't even know the first thing about the animal he hunts. This type hunting gives our hunting heritage such a bad name and fuels the anti-hunting group. I hope they ban HFH in Idaho and force the meat ranchers to equip all their penned elk with GPS radio collars. This issue is we meddle way too much with our wildlife, we try to be god. The poor elk that lived without wolves for 100 years lost their knowledge/instincts of how to handle this predator. This has been devastating to elk herds in Idaho. The wolves introduced into Idaho were not the native wolves of old. My favorite archery spots are vacant and eerily quiet. Idaho Girl states “there is this thing called Mother Nature”, however that does not include humans meddling. Fish hatcheries have screwed up native fisheries and elk farms will do the same to our elk herds if allowed to continue. Take a look at Australia and see how well humans have played “Mother Nature”. It is disgusting that someone that pays to shoot such a magnificent animal tries to call himself a hunter. I have nothing but feelings of repulsion when I here about these Antler Whores paying for their trophy. They are not hunters, they are some corporate yuppie that doesn’t even know the first thing about the animal he hunts. This type hunting gives our hunting heritage such a bad name and fuels the anti-hunting group. I hope they ban HFH in Idaho and force the meat ranchers to equip all their penned elk with GPS radio collars.

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