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• 1. JUSTIN  |  October 23rd, 2006 at 12:09 pm

  they say that it had not been seen in a long time by the out fitters but they also said it was only 375 or so acres theres no way your telling me that a bull that size couldnt be found in 375 acres i could find a spike in that small of an area its not gona run away if it tries itl just smack a fence

• 2. chad g  |  October 23rd, 2006 at 8:26 pm

  i would like to say NICE BULL. even if he dont become the new world record hewill still make a pretty nice wall mount.lol

• 3. Trenton  |  October 24th, 2006 at 3:38 pm

  I don’t care what kind of ranch this bull was killed on. The only thing that matters is the words HIGH FENCE!!! Not fair chase, its easy to kill something that big when he only has so far to run. I’m from northern arizona so i know what fair chase really means, and hunting behind a high fence is cheating no matter who you are or how you look at it.

• 4. heather  |  October 24th, 2006 at 5:07 pm

  Very impressive…..

• 5. Idaho Mann  |  October 24th, 2006 at 5:33 pm

  how could you not see this elk in 375 acres of land for 2 weeks? This guy is a wank

• 6. greg  |  October 24th, 2006 at 5:40 pm

  I think this kind of hunting gives the anti’s ammunition to get real hunting band. This kind of canned hunts leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Might as well put a leash on this majestic creature that should not be fenced in and put him in front of a firing squad.

• 7. Casey  |  October 24th, 2006 at 5:49 pm

  I would understand having a high fence hunting opperation. it makes sence , you feed the animals all year long anyway you might as weel reap the benefits, but i think that there has to be a larger number of acres in the fence. I know that if i could i would like to put a fence around my 6000 acre farm. not really for the fact to keep animals in but to keep people out. no matter where you have your land or how much time you spend on it there will always be people that come and poach animals. As far as this bull being taken on a plot that is only 370 acres i do not think that this is right. i would have to agree with idaho man. with such few acres you could cover all of that in one day and locate this animal rather easy. this is not fair to this animal at all. why not just go out in your pastuer and butcher a cow. same thing. i am surprised they dont show the bale of hay that these guys probably use for bait.

• 8. Casey  |  October 24th, 2006 at 5:53 pm

  Also this elk was shot with a 300 win mag. how hard can that be to hunt this animal on such small acreage. and with a rifle, unbeleivable . at least give him somewhat of a chance and use a bow. But i gues that when it comes down to it that these people have done nothing wrong legally only ethicaly. so there is nothing that will stop this sort of operation.. it does give real hunters a bad name.

• 9. CJ  |  October 24th, 2006 at 5:57 pm

  370 acres? What a joke. That is the size of a large horse pasture. Its an incredible elk but definately not fair chase.

• 10. willy  |  October 24th, 2006 at 9:23 pm

  You know it really isn’t no different than killing a beef or a buffalo. I myself really like the taste of elk. I would not personally kill an elk in a cage but hey what ever turns your crank. As far as allowing it to be officially scored, you’ve got to be kidding. If they put that thing in the books it is going to force me to really stand back and take a hard look at the way hunting is being sold out. This isn’t what Teddy Roosevelt had in mind when he founded Boone and Crocket. The guy that shot the elk isn’t to blame (although lazy and unimaginative), the “industry” itself (since that’s what it is nowadays) is to blame. I hope people really read these comments. It is a great way to get the thoughts of real hunters out there. Maybe some day these people will realize that hunting is more than an “industry” but a sport. There is nothing in this world better than being out in the wild chasing the wapiti.

• 11. Moose Droppings » M&hellip  |  October 24th, 2006 at 9:31 pm

  […] Black Bear Blog posted the story about the elk and the speculations around where it was taken and does it qualify for the record book. Kings Outdoor World Blog has an update on this story. It seems Lou McMurray from California is the individual who took this bull. His website says the following; • Shot with a 300 Winchester Magnum at approximately 80 yards. • Taken from the Laurentian Wildlife Estate in the Quebec Province of Canada on Sep 6, 2006. • The estate has been approved by Safari Club International as a qualified hunt and eligible for a world record. SCI is the accredited organization that qualifies world records. • The elk has been measured by two non-certified guides at around 560 by the Boone and Crockett Club standards. The current world record is 503. It is a non-typical estate antler. For the estate to qualify, it has to be a minimum size. In this case the area was 370 acres. Also, it must be forested with trees and not an open field. The Laurentian Estate is heavily forested. The elk was not easy to find and had not been seen for two weeks by any of the guides previous to our hunt. • It takes a 60-day drying out period before a certified master measurer can make an official measurement. We plan to submit to SCI for world record. […]

• 12. David Carroll  |  October 24th, 2006 at 10:40 pm

  Did he get to bottle feed it before he shot it? That’s not hunting, it’s called shooting! It’s unbelievable the morals and ethics these people display, they would’nt make it a day hunting with me!

• 13. Dayne  |  October 25th, 2006 at 10:22 am

  Horrible, should never be allowed! Its like hunting a cow in a field, how is that any fun? No fair chase, should never be a record and these types of hunt farms should be banned everywhere in the world. Horrible, disgraceful that someone would ever want to do that, its hunters like that which give the rest of us a bad name.

• 14. Byron  |  October 25th, 2006 at 11:49 am

  i think that it is a beautiful bull but being a hunter myself and to hunt colorado and hike mile after mile and track animals for 30 miles or so and finally get it. well that is enough for me. i would like to see so called hunters that go to elk farms or like where the bull was taken to come hunting with me and do it the right way!!! Bet they cant!!!

• 15. RICHARD  |  October 25th, 2006 at 11:56 am

  VERY NICE BULL- BUT I HAVE TO SAY WHEN I LOOK AT MY 300 CLASS 6X6 THAT WAS REALLY FAIR CHASE -I WOULD BE MORE PROUD OF MY BULL

• 16. Jess  |  October 25th, 2006 at 12:25 pm

  Great bull! But being fenced in is cheating. I might as well start my own elk farm and breed them until I have created a world record. Then have someone pay me thousands to kill it and get recongnitiion, would that be fair too? If anything they need record bulls that are “fair chase” and a separate record for “fenced” in bulls.

• 17. Shane  |  October 25th, 2006 at 1:09 pm

  I love how everybody is so against this hunter for what he did. Maybe it is because everytime you turn on the hunting channel they are hunting some ranch for record class animals. Why do they do this? Because that’s what people want to see, not the fork spike that took me a week to shoot in california! Now I no many outfitters are hunting a lot more acerage than 370 and they may not have a fence but i’m sure they have some type of food plot or watering source. Come to california where it is illegal to do any of those things and actually get out of the truck! Yours truely… a real hunter!

• 18. Dan  |  October 25th, 2006 at 2:51 pm

  I’ve had the pleasure of hunting in Montana my whole life on DIY public land. True, there are big bulls in Montana, just like every other state. The simple fact is the majority of the huge bulls shot my MT are on PRIVATE lands. Chuck Adams record bull was shot on private land were the preasure is extremely minimal. I still think he is a great hunter, but not everyone has the money and opportunities to shoot trophy animals like a big name like Chuck Adams. People need to realize that there are some spectacular hunters out there that will never shoot a trophy animal because they simple don’t have the money to do so. I’ll take a 300 public land bull, over a private land record any day of the week.

• 19. Rando  |  October 25th, 2006 at 4:11 pm

  I have to agree with Idaho Mann on this one! One square mile is 640 acres. Please do not say you could not find this monster in his little pen. WHAT A WANK!!

• 20. Ghost of the forest  |  October 25th, 2006 at 8:21 pm

  This quack that shot that bull needs to be hand fed for a month or two, fatten him up a bit, then throw him out on a piece of land he has never seen before with really tall fences. Then send me in there with a 300 mag!!! I bet I find him pretty fast…BOOM!!!

• 21. RealHunter41  |  October 25th, 2006 at 9:43 pm

  WHAT IS WRONG WITH HUNTERS NOWADAYS??????
  Never mind the word “hunters” You don’t qualify as one, Hunting in Montana,Colorado, or Wyoming is not that easy. The word “Hunting” means to get up at 5:40am, eat burnt toast,and drink black coffee,grab your scarred 300mag, get in your 1982 beater ford without a heater and drive to the mountains,get out and hike through 2ft of snow up hill for 6 miles. (sorry, you cant bring your electric underwear) shoot a spike or a cow, dress it out,quarter it up and start packing it back to your truck.(no Helicopters either). get back at 10:00pm cold and wore out, but got a big grin on your face,and meat on the table. THATS HUNTING.

  Anyone Agree?

• 22. terry bolenback oliver british columbia  |  October 25th, 2006 at 9:47 pm

  well if people call this hunting get a life and stuff like this should not be allowed in any record books thats what money can buy

• 23. Hayden Johnson  |  October 25th, 2006 at 10:08 pm

  370 acres? thats ridiculous that is not fair chase, they have to give the bull some chance of getting out. if they missed 20 times they could find it within 20 minutes and shoot at it again.

• 24. Rando  |  October 26th, 2006 at 12:57 am

  I finally realized why they couldn’t find this monster in his 370 acre pen. They forgot that it was tied up in the barn stall eating his Kibbles ‘n Steroids. They found the error and returned him to his bigger stall of 370 acres. AGAIN WHAT A WANK!!

• 25. John  |  October 26th, 2006 at 9:19 am

  Lou, very good bull. Continue spending your $$$$$ however you want to! Keep your head up through all this BS… it’s YOUR $$$$$!!!

• 26. Kobie  |  October 26th, 2006 at 9:35 am

  i think that it is a nice bull but i dont think it should go in the record books because it was killed in a high fenced area so who knows what they colud have put in his food up there!

• 27. g-dog  |  October 26th, 2006 at 2:40 pm

  Man I wish i could have shot that big boy

• 28. Rando  |  October 26th, 2006 at 10:43 pm

  I have finally come to a consensus with this “High Fence Hunting”. Here is the reason that I support them. While I believe killing an elk in a pen is just like going out and killing any livestock animal that is tied up. The nice thing is these HFH areas keep the elk locked in a pen(most of the time) as well as the unknowledgeable hunter from California that doesn’t know the difference between a horse and an elk. See this type of hunter needs someone to tell them what to shoot, when to shoot, and do all the dirty work for them like take car of the animal after the shot. Do we really want that type of hunter out in the woods with the rest of us. HECK NO!! I do not want my horse shot out from under me or have me tied to the truck as a trophy. So let them have the pen to keep them inside. Better for us real hunters!!!

• 29. Disco  |  October 27th, 2006 at 11:18 am

  This has nothing in common with hunting. It really is more of a matter of this guy showing all of the other guys like him that he has the biggest wallet. Unfortunately this guy likes the idea of being a hunter, so he then thinks up ways to justify his purchase as being a fitting entry according to SCI standards.

  I guess someone who does not get out into the real wilds on one on one pursuits could think of it being difficult to find a tamed penned in critter if it could not be immediately seen from the vehicle or accommodations. I can imagine the talk around the table going something like, “things better start picking up around here. I’ve paid good money to see this bull and so far he hasn’t been anywhere near the feeders or the barn. In fact we haven’t even seen him on any of the drives we have taken around the whole 370 acres. By the way, can I shoot some of those birds you have in that coup over there? Some of them look mighty big and I’d like to have me a mount of a albino Turkey for the winter house in Sun River.”

• 30. Kevin Gneiser  |  October 27th, 2006 at 9:18 pm

  The man had money and he shot a domesticated elk. I’m happy for him. I’m dissapointed in SCI. Their qualifactions are unbeleivable They should change their name to “FSCI” fenced safari club international. No real hunter recognizes SCI anyways. And to the guides at this pasture, they wouldn’t stand a chance in Colorado.

• 31. Mike  |  October 29th, 2006 at 10:23 am

  Let the guy be. He chooses to kill big animals any way he can and obviously this may be the only way he can kill an elk of any size. He is the only one who has to live with it. All of the “real” hunters out there have no reason to criticize this guy, just because he chooses to do something that they wouldn’t. As long as it is legal it will continue to be done. Money, and the pursiut of it, makes people do strange things. The idiots raising and selling these animals is more to blame than the guy doing the killing. All the killing in Texas has nothing on this place. This is what hunting in America has become.

• 32. CO Hunter  |  October 30th, 2006 at 2:25 pm

  A few years back a friend of my fathers sent a videotape of a bunch of whitetail deer on a ranch in Texas. My dad said “you think you have seen everything, wait until you see this.” Along with the tape there was a letter stating exactly which deer the guy was going to shoot. The video showed a number of beautiful trophy whitetails and with it was pricing for each deer and a notation stating if they were reserved or not. Needless to say I was in total shock and practically sickened by the thought of this type of “canned hunt”. Granted I am not a fan of this concept but what really bugs me is that they call it “hunting”. Oh I get it, but it sure as hell is not hunting and if you can’t see the difference then you really are not a hunter. It is the same thing as ranching cattle for slaughter, except it is an elk, deer or other animal and some rich exec kills it. I’m sorry but if you’re paying for these types of so called “hunts” you are missing the real experience of hunting. You are the same guy that pays to go fly fishing in a stocked pond. Is it really fun when you already know what the outcome will be? You might as well put a homing device on the poor animal, perhaps they do.

• 33. Denton Mason  |  October 30th, 2006 at 2:45 pm

  WOW that bull is huge. Wish I was there. Awesome.

• 34. Josh  |  October 30th, 2006 at 9:05 pm

  What ever happened to a good old fashioned DIY hunt. Thank goodness we still have Eastmans. Why dont we all just sit home and click the shoot button on our computer and kill one just as big. A REAL MAN hunts for his food not ties it up and takes is when he wants, since when are Elk pets.

• 35. Gene  |  October 31st, 2006 at 8:35 am

  first of congrats!!my question is where are you gonna mount this BEAST?

• 36. John  |  October 31st, 2006 at 7:21 pm

  Enough criticizing, Sure the acreage is small but all you tough guys who can not afford to hunt any premier ranches or property should think about a second job or some overtime. I hunted Ted Turners Flying D 15 years ago and had idiots tell me his 110,000 acres were a pen Jealousy is for unmotivated people. Congratulate the guy and move on

• 37. Dan  |  October 31st, 2006 at 8:58 pm

  Thanks John (post #36). People, get over it. If someone wants to hunt a game ranch, then more power to them. After reading most of these blogs, I sense most (not all) of the hunters are jealous that they can’t afford to hunt a ranch. Oh well, as the saying goes, life is not fair. If that is the case, do someting to change your circumstances and quit complaining. In reality, 9 out of 10 hunters would hunt a challenging game ranch (5000 or more acres) if they could afford to do so.

• 38. kris anderson  |  November 1st, 2006 at 12:02 am

  If so, I am a member of the 1 in 10 and proud of it.

• 39. OneOwl  |  November 2nd, 2006 at 7:06 am

  When I first saw this bull after it was e-mailed to me, I was speachless! What an unbelieable monster animal with unreal antler mass. Then I quickly decided to go and check out the information on where and how it was taken. I was so taken by the “Shot with a bow in this wilderness area etc.” Boy was I dissapointed to learn that this was a “Canned Hunt”. I live near a wealthy estate that raises Whitetail Deer in a fenced in acerage. They eat from food plots and bunkers with special neutrients in them. Some rich guy sits on a stand and the guide may rattle up one of these big boys and the “Hunter” shoots it. Wow, that is like shooting an Angus in the feed lot. Besides the fact that we all know the truth about this animal, shame on SCI for admiting it into the record books. I agree that there should be a seperate listing for artificially raised animals that are recorded in these books. I am with the previous notes here that tout the beauty of a natural hunt in our most beautiful wild places and the harvesting of a lesser animal by truely “Fair Chase”. Respectively submitted–OneOwl

• 40. Kelly  |  November 2nd, 2006 at 12:28 pm

  I shot a 310 class 5 by 6 On public land 3rd to last day of the hunt and also hunted all hunt and walked on average of 15 miles a day so i know what fair chase is and i dont think 370 acres is even close to fair chase. Its huge bull and would make an awsome mount and good bragging story but its a little to easy to register for the record books
  Kelly

• 41. Kenny  |  November 2nd, 2006 at 2:42 pm

  If all i had to do is hike one square mile every elk season for the last 15 years, i would need a bigger freezer. i just got my first bull this year and spent the next 7 hrs getting him back to camp. it was by far the most rewarding day of my hunting life. here’s to all of us who know how it is truly done. sorry dude.

• 42. Rando  |  November 2nd, 2006 at 6:05 pm

  I have enough money to hunt any ranch that I would like. Any hunt where the animal is contained by a fence is shooting livestock. There is no exception to this rule. I have hunted on private land where the owners were ranchers but they raised cattle not elk or deer. I do not see a problem paying to hunt on a 110,000 acre ranch as long as it does not have a 10′ high fence to retain livestock and the rancher does not stock it with Kibble n’ Steroid animals. I can see why some people are drawn to these hunt these areas. With the 100% guarantee on success and huge antlers, but this makes all the real trophies loose value and meaning. This just goes with how our society is going, instant gratification. With real hunts you have to work really hard, putting in the time and money. You will not always get a return on your investment, but we have to keep it real. If 90% of hunters would actually pay for horns in a pen then our wonderful heritage is already lost. Please take the time and get out and put in the hard work, it will have such a better meaning.

• 43. Jerome  |  November 3rd, 2006 at 9:29 am

  That is a great looking bull but that is still not fair shooting it in a 375 acre land. But if it was me i probally would have shot it too, but i dont know what its like shooting an Elk that size so congrats.

• 44. Dan  |  November 3rd, 2006 at 11:02 am

  Well I will admit thatm I hunt a fenced hunt. It’s by draw only and it usually takes 7-10 years to draw it. The canyons are very mean and there is much deadfall to deal with, I know one guy took 18 hrs to get his elk out. Did I mention it’s 25,000 acres and the success rate is about 25 percent. It doesn’t cost anything to hunt it but it strickly regulated by state and U.S, forest sevice. I will say nice Elk but not a real hunt.

• 45. Mike In Golden B.C. Canada  |  November 8th, 2006 at 1:15 pm

  I would be ashamed to say that I shot an elk in a fenced enclosure. Even if it is a new world record. To be considered for a world record any animal taken should have to be taken on public land that is accessible by anyone, That way it never comes down to a matter of money over skill as a hunter. A real hunter craves nature as much as a kill and the recognition of taking a trophy. I feel sorry for him he looks like a fool in my eyes.

• 46. Chuck Feney  |  November 11th, 2006 at 2:16 pm

  I have no problem whatsoever with the raising of elk or deer for venison. It is a marketable product and there is a high demend for high quality.

  That said, how low is the self-esteem of anyone who would chase such an animal around a pen, shoot it with a high powered scoped rifle, and try to call it a hunt. Any record book that would record such a travesty is no more than an ego massaging fish wrapper for those with “issues”.

  Better a spike taken fair chase than this monstrosity.

• 47. Alex  |  November 15th, 2006 at 8:55 am

  If you all will read the majority of these posts, you will notice a common theme; 99% of us disagree with high fenced hunts. Talk to your state legislators and voice you opinions. Don’t stop at just ranting online, put in some effort and call you representative or senator and get your friends to do the same. I too see no problem raising venison for meat, but people don’t need to shoot them and call it hunting. Any record book that accepts these animals, even under “estate” calssifications should be ashamed of themselves!

• 48. kade  |  November 15th, 2006 at 12:01 pm

  thats a bunch of bull that you haft to go to a high fenced area to take a big bull another thing how much did he pay for the hunt thats what is wrong with hunting know days it is the RICH MANS SPORT! i am 15 years old second year of hunting and i didnt even draw a tag! but you got all of these big guides that buy thier way in to killing enourmos animals while we haft to wait 7 or 8 years to draw a tag while they just buy one they should not let this bull in the boone and crooket club!!!!!

• 49. Josh Radcliff  |  November 15th, 2006 at 4:04 pm

  Sorry if having money is a problem for you kade. I have invested wisely and have actually done well for myself. This however was not always the case! I was so poor hunting beaver was about all the hunting I could do. So yes I do spend a lot of my money on hunting and it does make it easier. The reason you have to wait 7 o 8 years to draw a tag is because the rules are set up that way. As far as the Boone and Crooket Club my membership is just as appreciated as everyone elses.

• 50. Justin  |  December 8th, 2006 at 4:42 pm

  Well folks as I can see many are upset about this. But I have hunted fenced farms and It isn’t quite as easy as everyone makes it out to be! I am very sure that that bull could and probably did go for two weeks with out being seen. 370 acres Is a large amount of land if it is all treed. So why don’t all the rubberneckers that are mad or should I say jealous? Just leave well enough alone and let the man take the credit he deserves for shooting this massive bull!!!

• 51. Sean  |  January 16th, 2007 at 5:27 pm

  Who cares about horns and antlers anyway? I hunt for meat.

• 52. The Best of 2006…Monste&hellip  |  May 23rd, 2007 at 1:02 pm

  […] Unfortunately, two scandals were the only news that came out of Idaho in regards to big bulls. The first scandal was an Internet spoof over a supposed Selway-Bitterroot 575 archery bull; and the second was over 100 escaped elk from a high-fence ranch. The escaped elk caused a firestorm of criticism over high-fenced hunting ranches while people searched high and low on the Internet trying to find out if the 575 Selway-Bitterroot archery elk was legit. Droves of visitors swamped our King’s Blog for answers. After all was said and done, the 575 archery elk from Idaho was actually a 560 rifle elk from a high-fence ranch in Quebec, Canada. […]

• 53. Kyle  |  October 25th, 2007 at 9:14 pm

  I am GAME FENCING a small ranch that I own, not for me to hunt, but to sell easy hunts to those that have the cash. I however will be hunting a much larger ranch as that is what appeals to me. Facts are that there is a ton of $$$ to be made for so called canned hunts. I know those who have a problem with that but I just dont care. I happen to like a very nice lifestyle and if giving someone what they pay for, as long as its legal. helps to supplement my lifestyle then so be it!

• 54. Dan  |  October 27th, 2007 at 8:16 am

  Kyle,
  That is what free enterprise and living in America is all about, being able to do what you want with your own land. Granted, some people will object, but who creally cares what others think as long as what you are doing is legal.
  I still don’t know why the hostilities towards high fence hunting, if that is not your style, then move on to more important issues. But if folks choose to hunt in a safe, more controlled environment, more power to them.
  I don’t gamble, but I certainly don’t tell others that they can’t. Same principle, don’t try to legislate ethics or force your beliefs on others, let everyone do as they wish. Let’s close this subject.

• 55. dav  |  December 6th, 2007 at 8:44 pm

  You can go buy a full beef on hoof. kill and butcher it yourself.
  If someone wants to sorta do that with any other kind of animal so be it. You can buy pheasants. Have the guy turn them loose just before you get there. (can you say dog training)
  Handicaped people get to hunt from closed roads. I’d rather see them huntin on a high fence ranch instead of going up in a van where I hunt. (no offense). I myself prefer the great outdoors. You fence hunters, enjoy and you fence owners, treat your animals right or I’ll even vote against ya. I don’t care if ya get 10 grand a bull.. hell for that, I’ll take anyone of ya hunting and garentee ya a shot at a 6×6. (If you draw the proper tag) lol

  anyway, we have zoos, we have a ton of public lands to hunt on, I am ok with the high fence farms, so long as they take care of the animals.
  P.S. 370 acres is nothing. 1/2 mile x 1/2 mile.
  you can hunt it in an hour.

• 56. az huner  |  March 26th, 2008 at 5:43 pm

  I agree with most of the posts here. I hunt in Southwest AZ for Mulies and I’ll tell you what this is some of the hardest land I have ever had to hunt. If people can afford to pay for a hunt so be it but the animal no matter the size should not be allowed for any record due to it not being fair chase. If you want a challenge hunt in SW AZ in the KOFAs and you’ll get a whole new outlook.

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