Comments on: Wolves Taking Down a Moose http://blog.kingsoutdoorworld.com/2007/02/15/wolves-taking-down-a-moose/ Behind the Scenes at King's Fri, 25 Jul 2008 10:49:42 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 Comment on Wolves Taking Down a Moose by: Matt http://blog.kingsoutdoorworld.com/2007/02/15/wolves-taking-down-a-moose/#comment-211865 Wed, 28 May 2008 20:35:08 +0000 http://blog.kingsoutdoorworld.com/2007/02/15/wolves-taking-down-a-moose/#comment-211865 So your saying without wolves we would have disease running rampant through our wild herds #69? Where I am at we don't have diseased elk because we don't have many elk anymore (wolf consumption)...... There is way too much fallacy thinking among the the pro-wolf anti hunting folks. So your saying without wolves we would have disease running rampant through our wild herds #69? Where I am at we don’t have diseased elk because we don’t have many elk anymore (wolf consumption)…… There is way too much fallacy thinking among the the pro-wolf anti hunting folks.

]]> Comment on Wolves Taking Down a Moose by: Shane M http://blog.kingsoutdoorworld.com/2007/02/15/wolves-taking-down-a-moose/#comment-210668 Sun, 25 May 2008 17:37:57 +0000 http://blog.kingsoutdoorworld.com/2007/02/15/wolves-taking-down-a-moose/#comment-210668 For starters I believe Akking has had the most sense of you all. Balance is needed, with out wolves being controled they will eventually control them selves by descimating ungulate populations and starving themselves,same goes for Deer Elk and Moose, not the type of answer were looking for. With proper management we(the people) can keep balance quite well with out the highs and lows in population on either side wether preditor or prey. Wolves will kill just to kill even on a full stomach wether it is for fun or just learned for survival I can't be sure. I have seen wolves kill prey and leave it with no intention to return because the carcass is still untouched several days later and if they were scared by another preditor they skirt the perimiter until that preditor was full and lelt and would return to feed themselves. I have also watched 7 wolves walk through a heard of 47 cattle and not even bother a 2nd look. We have had an open season on wolves in alberta for ever and yet they are such a problem that the fish and wildlife is asking hunters to take more wolves but to no avail on reducing the populations, they are hard to find, they are very smart and very shy. For starters I believe Akking has had the most sense of you all.

Balance is needed, with out wolves being controled they will eventually control them selves by descimating ungulate populations and starving themselves,same goes for Deer Elk and Moose, not the type of answer were looking for. With proper management we(the people) can keep balance quite well with out the highs and lows in population on either side wether preditor or prey.
Wolves will kill just to kill even on a full stomach wether it is for fun or just learned for survival I can’t be sure. I have seen wolves kill prey and leave it with no intention to return because the carcass is still untouched several days later and if they were scared by another preditor they skirt the perimiter until that preditor was full and lelt and would return to feed themselves. I have also watched 7 wolves walk through a heard of 47 cattle and not even bother a 2nd look.
We have had an open season on wolves in alberta for ever and yet they are such a problem that the fish and wildlife is asking hunters to take more wolves but to no avail on reducing the populations, they are hard to find, they are very smart and very shy.

]]> Comment on Wolves Taking Down a Moose by: kayla http://blog.kingsoutdoorworld.com/2007/02/15/wolves-taking-down-a-moose/#comment-209619 Sat, 24 May 2008 00:59:02 +0000 http://blog.kingsoutdoorworld.com/2007/02/15/wolves-taking-down-a-moose/#comment-209619 i think its wrong that some of you are putting wolves down like that.Ok so you think wolves are such a "menace" well have you ever heard of a wolf ever killing a person?A wolf that was perfectly fine killing a person?cuz i havnt!We would have a lot of dieseased animals around if wolves were gone.So befor you say something wrong about an animal get 2 kno them better. i think its wrong that some of you are putting wolves down like that.Ok so you think wolves are such a “menace” well have you ever heard of a wolf ever killing a person?A wolf that was perfectly fine killing a person?cuz i havnt!We would have a lot of dieseased animals around if wolves were gone.So befor you say something wrong about an animal get 2 kno them better.

]]> Comment on Wolves Taking Down a Moose by: John http://blog.kingsoutdoorworld.com/2007/02/15/wolves-taking-down-a-moose/#comment-205471 Thu, 15 May 2008 05:55:30 +0000 http://blog.kingsoutdoorworld.com/2007/02/15/wolves-taking-down-a-moose/#comment-205471 No, wolves don't deserve the crap.....they deserve a hunting season. Balance. No, wolves don’t deserve the crap…..they deserve a hunting season. Balance.

]]> Comment on Wolves Taking Down a Moose by: Doc http://blog.kingsoutdoorworld.com/2007/02/15/wolves-taking-down-a-moose/#comment-205248 Thu, 15 May 2008 00:55:20 +0000 http://blog.kingsoutdoorworld.com/2007/02/15/wolves-taking-down-a-moose/#comment-205248 So how do you suppose a wolf would tell if the moose was very old....count its rings...see its AARP card...perhaps attends its retirement party. Point blank: wolves are predators...humans are too. We compete, the problem is that the Grey wolves introduced into the West have grown in populations too great to NOT manage. These animals MUST be managed actively otherwise our elk, deer and moose heards will suffer which will also lead to a catastrophic decline in wolf populations due to starvation and depredation from human encounters. What kind of crap does a wolf deserve? So how do you suppose a wolf would tell if the moose was very old….count its rings…see its AARP card…perhaps attends its retirement party. Point blank: wolves are predators…humans are too. We compete, the problem is that the Grey wolves introduced into the West have grown in populations too great to NOT manage. These animals MUST be managed actively otherwise our elk, deer and moose heards will suffer which will also lead to a catastrophic decline in wolf populations due to starvation and depredation from human encounters.
What kind of crap does a wolf deserve?

]]> Comment on Wolves Taking Down a Moose by: She Dances with Wolves http://blog.kingsoutdoorworld.com/2007/02/15/wolves-taking-down-a-moose/#comment-205213 Wed, 14 May 2008 23:17:40 +0000 http://blog.kingsoutdoorworld.com/2007/02/15/wolves-taking-down-a-moose/#comment-205213 What are you all thinking? You're at first mad because they are "stealing" livestock and NOW you're mad because they took down a moose!! What is wrong with you people?? What in the world do you want them to eat? NOTHING?? Well sorry, but they gotta live too. Mother Earth must of put the wolves on this Earth for some reason! Also, what are the wolves doing differently than what a human themself do? Humans are hunting heathy moose all the time. And how in the owrld do we know this moose was healthy? It might of been sickly, or it might of been old, because wolves hunt the very old to the very young. So in other words it could've been a healthy, but very old moose. I'm just very tired of everyone getting all mad and riled up for no reason. Wolves don't deserve this crap. What are you all thinking? You’re at first mad because they are “stealing” livestock and NOW you’re mad because they took down a moose!! What is wrong with you people?? What in the world do you want them to eat? NOTHING?? Well sorry, but they gotta live too. Mother Earth must of put the wolves on this Earth for some reason! Also, what are the wolves doing differently than what a human themself do? Humans are hunting heathy moose all the time. And how in the owrld do we know this moose was healthy? It might of been sickly, or it might of been old, because wolves hunt the very old to the very young. So in other words it could’ve been a healthy, but very old moose.
I’m just very tired of everyone getting all mad and riled up for no reason. Wolves don’t deserve this crap.

]]> Comment on Wolves Taking Down a Moose by: Nate http://blog.kingsoutdoorworld.com/2007/02/15/wolves-taking-down-a-moose/#comment-204814 Wed, 14 May 2008 03:20:45 +0000 http://blog.kingsoutdoorworld.com/2007/02/15/wolves-taking-down-a-moose/#comment-204814 Rick, That is outstanding, 30 years as a biologist! What would we do without you. Thanks for clearing up that "myth" for us. As for wolves leaving a kill for later....come on! If they leave a meal on the table coyotes, birds, bears, and any other scavenger is going to clean the plate they left. Please come up with a better line than that. Now lets move on to the "fact" that a bear or lion might scare the wolves off a kill. Seriously? Is that your final answer? Last time I checked wolves hunt in numbers, bears and lions roam alone. Now Rick if you had 8-10 of your friends with you and a bully was bothering you would you run off? I don't think so. Now the elk population, when was the last time you acually looked at the numbers? Not to mention the moose population, or lack of. The numbers don't lie! According to some states, what states have high numbers of elk? Colorado, Utah, Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada? Hmm, that's funny "Rick the biologist", those states don't have a wolf problem. The one thing you may be right on is that our fathers were scared of wolves. The reason... they depended on wild game and livestock, the two main things wolves prey on. Does that make sense Rick? So Rick before you start posting more ridiculous crap, I suggest you get out in the woods of Idaho, Montana, and Wyoming and take a look around with an open mind. Then your next posting might have some sense to it. I don't like wolves, I don't like the lies that have come along with them, and I don't like the people that lobby for them that have never been out in the true west to see what impact they have on the good people that are still trying to carve a living out of our beautiful land. Now that said, wolves are hear to stay, whether any of us like it or not. Lets control their populations, too much of anything isn't good. With some management, they will thrive, our elk, moose, deer, and antelope will also thrive. I just don't want to hear anymore wolf-crap from people who have no real base to what they say. Rick,
That is outstanding, 30 years as a biologist! What would we do without you. Thanks for clearing up that “myth” for us. As for wolves leaving a kill for later….come on! If they leave a meal on the table coyotes, birds, bears, and any other scavenger is going to clean the plate they left. Please come up with a better line than that. Now lets move on to the “fact” that a bear or lion might scare the wolves off a kill. Seriously? Is that your final answer? Last time I checked wolves hunt in numbers, bears and lions roam alone. Now Rick if you had 8-10 of your friends with you and a bully was bothering you would you run off? I don’t think so. Now the elk population, when was the last time you acually looked at the numbers? Not to mention the moose population, or lack of. The numbers don’t lie! According to some states, what states have high numbers of elk? Colorado, Utah, Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada? Hmm, that’s funny “Rick the biologist”, those states don’t have a wolf problem. The one thing you may be right on is that our fathers were scared of wolves. The reason… they depended on wild game and livestock, the two main things wolves prey on. Does that make sense Rick? So Rick before you start posting more ridiculous crap, I suggest you get out in the woods of Idaho, Montana, and Wyoming and take a look around with an open mind. Then your next posting might have some sense to it. I don’t like wolves, I don’t like the lies that have come along with them, and I don’t like the people that lobby for them that have never been out in the true west to see what impact they have on the good people that are still trying to carve a living out of our beautiful land. Now that said, wolves are hear to stay, whether any of us like it or not. Lets control their populations, too much of anything isn’t good. With some management, they will thrive, our elk, moose, deer, and antelope will also thrive.
I just don’t want to hear anymore wolf-crap from people who have no real base to what they say.

]]> Comment on Wolves Taking Down a Moose by: Rick http://blog.kingsoutdoorworld.com/2007/02/15/wolves-taking-down-a-moose/#comment-204632 Tue, 13 May 2008 13:41:36 +0000 http://blog.kingsoutdoorworld.com/2007/02/15/wolves-taking-down-a-moose/#comment-204632 This is what wolves do. Like a lion pride, they will take the weak and the old first but can take a healthy animal when ehy need to. I will not bore anyone with my extensive 30 year background but as a biologist let me put to rest, as respectfully as possible.......the myth that wolves kill for "fun". Wolves will make a kill an often leave it for later or a pack can actually be scared off by a larger predator like a mainland grizzly or Alaskan brown bear. I have also seen wolves get spooked by the scream of a mountain lion and leave their kill. So, please...wolves do not kill for "fun" or "sport," it is just not in their genetic makeup. As far as them "decimating" the elk herd; that's complete nonsense. Elk in the midwest, according to some stats are at their highest levels. Most elk taken are from hunters and not the 1500 or so wolves that roam. As for Yellowstone, I posed this question to a ranger myself. I was told that most elk calves are killed by grizzly bears and not wolves. The main food of wolves being deer and small mammals. What one must remember is that when carnivore populations are thriving, the general area and everything in no matter where they are on the food chain, is healthy. As the old saying goes, "As the bears go,so goes Yellowstone." Do not be mislead by centuries old nonsense about "why our forefathers wanted to wipe out the wolves." They were afraid of them. And ranchers are afraid of loosing their livestock as well; that's understandible. But....there is room for all to understand and come to an agreement. Superstitions aside, wolves are magnificent creatures and were truly maligned for years. We will not let that happen again. Peace, R This is what wolves do. Like a lion pride, they will take the weak and the old first but can take a healthy animal when ehy need to. I will not bore anyone with my extensive 30 year background but as a biologist let me put to rest, as respectfully as possible…….the myth that wolves kill for “fun”. Wolves will make a kill an often leave it for later or a pack can actually be scared off by a larger predator like a mainland grizzly or Alaskan brown bear. I have also seen wolves get spooked by the scream of a mountain lion and leave their kill. So, please…wolves do not kill for “fun” or “sport,” it is just not in their genetic makeup. As far as them “decimating” the elk herd; that’s complete nonsense. Elk in the midwest, according to some stats are at their highest levels. Most elk taken are from hunters and not the 1500 or so wolves that roam. As for Yellowstone, I posed this question to a ranger myself. I was told that most elk calves are killed by grizzly bears and not wolves. The main food of wolves being deer and small mammals. What one must remember is that when carnivore populations are thriving, the general area and everything in no matter where they are on the food chain, is healthy. As the old saying goes, “As the bears go,so goes Yellowstone.” Do not be mislead by centuries old nonsense about “why our forefathers wanted to wipe out the wolves.” They were afraid of them. And ranchers are afraid of loosing their livestock as well; that’s understandible. But….there is room for all to understand and come to an agreement. Superstitions aside, wolves are magnificent creatures and were truly maligned for years. We will not let that happen again.
Peace,
R

]]> Comment on Wolves Taking Down a Moose by: Demmy http://blog.kingsoutdoorworld.com/2007/02/15/wolves-taking-down-a-moose/#comment-191914 Thu, 01 May 2008 02:49:42 +0000 http://blog.kingsoutdoorworld.com/2007/02/15/wolves-taking-down-a-moose/#comment-191914 I really don't understand what you people have against wolves it's only natural for them to hunt. Killing an animal and leaving it there probably means something. In my opinion wolves are just like people, people have learned from them why get rid of our teachers? I really don’t understand what you people have against wolves it’s only natural for them to hunt. Killing an animal and leaving it there probably means something. In my opinion wolves are just like people, people have learned from them why get rid of our teachers?

]]> Comment on Wolves Taking Down a Moose by: minnesota http://blog.kingsoutdoorworld.com/2007/02/15/wolves-taking-down-a-moose/#comment-188835 Fri, 25 Apr 2008 23:32:09 +0000 http://blog.kingsoutdoorworld.com/2007/02/15/wolves-taking-down-a-moose/#comment-188835 I'm from northern minnesota and have been hunting and raising livestock around wolves my whole life. A few observations which I believe to be true: wolves mainly kill weak animals but will kill for fun or healthy animals too on occasion wolves kill livestock on occasion. They will also 'test' or chase livestock from horses to cattle. Wolves kill domestic dogs whenever they get the chance. If a person is near a dog, they would rather leave than attack the dog wolves should be managed and their populations monitored wolves are good for deer and wild game populations. They keep the herd healthy. I personally believe they will actually give better trophy whitetail potential when wolves are present Exterminating wolves was a mistake. Reintroduction was a good idea Pure blood wild north american gray wolves for the most part will avoid humans. I rarely see wolves and I live smack dab in the middle of over 3,000 of them. There seems to be more misinformation about wolves than other animal for some reason. I see no reason why people should be afraid or feel threatened by them. I’m from northern minnesota and have been hunting and raising livestock around wolves my whole life. A few observations which I believe to be true:

wolves mainly kill weak animals but will kill for fun or healthy animals too on occasion

wolves kill livestock on occasion. They will also ‘test’ or chase livestock from horses to cattle.

Wolves kill domestic dogs whenever they get the chance. If a person is near a dog, they would rather leave than attack the dog

wolves should be managed and their populations monitored

wolves are good for deer and wild game populations. They keep the herd healthy. I personally believe they will actually give better trophy whitetail potential when wolves are present

Exterminating wolves was a mistake. Reintroduction was a good idea

Pure blood wild north american gray wolves for the most part will avoid humans. I rarely see wolves and I live smack dab in the middle of over 3,000 of them.

There seems to be more misinformation about wolves than other animal for some reason. I see no reason why people should be afraid or feel threatened by them.

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