Word is out and things are going crazy. The Spider Bull is dead. Word is that he may green gross score 500 4/8 and Team Mossback guided on the bull! I will post more as I find out more of the facts and see what we can find out. The hunter was Denny Austad. Denny is the Governor Elk Tag holder for Utah for 2008. The Spider Bull has eluded hunters for an amazing amount of time. What a legend.
UPDATE: 10/01/2008 - The photos of the Spider Bull have been posted. I will do the courtesy and link over to mossback.com for you to see more if you want. Here is what is posted by Doyle Moss about the bull:
September 30, 2008 will be a day marked in history. On this day a great bull was taken on public land in Utah. The “Spider” bull, a pending new world record and state record was taken by Denny Austad while hunting with Team MossBack. The “Spider” bull has a gross green score of 500 4/8 inches and a net green score of 488 inches.
So what do we know…The Spider bull rubbed his velvet off, became very weary, nobody could get on him, finally gets taken by the Governor Tag holder Denny Austad, the green score of 500 4/8 gross and 488 net non-typical is a pending world record.
This will shatter the current world record of 465 2/8 net B&C if the following happens:
- The bull is officially scored after the 60-day drying period
- The paperwork is submitted to Boone & Crockett
- Boone & Crockett accept the entry
- The bull is a pending world record for Boone & Crockett
- The antlers will have to be invited and taken to the next panel score
- If the accepted “panel” official score is over the 465 2/8 net mark…we have a new World’s Record Non-typical Elk
We will wait and see what happens next.
If you know anything or want to expand on the details please post a comment below.
Here is some video taken during the summer of 2008
September 30th, 2008
There has been some talk of a huge bull recently taken in the northwest. Some confusion is did it come from Oregon or Washington? This is not a 466 bull from Oregon. This huge bull elk was shot with a rifle in Washington and green scores 449 gross and 436 net non-typical. This elk was taken by Dan Agnew. I emailed Dan to confirm as it seems rumors are already abound about this new potential state record Washington non-typical elk.
The elk was taken on September 3, 2008 in eastern Washington and is a 9 x 10 that green scores 449 gross and 436 net non-typical.
How does this rank in the books?
The current state record is the Jeff Thorpe bull from 2003. Jeff took this elk with his bow and so is the overall state record in addition to archery state record. Jeff’s bull scores 421 7/8 B&C.
The Dan Agnew bull with a green score (if this holds up) of 436 net B&C will not only shatter the state record but be the biggest bull elk from the northwest and also a potential top ten non-typical bull in the world.
Dan Agnew is no stranger to monster record book bulls. He currently has the #7 all-time non-typical bull and the #21 all-time typical bull - both coming from the San Carlos Apache Reservation.
I will post some more as I get more information about this awesome elk.
Man, the dark-horse bull elk from 2008 just might be from Washington. Who would have thought!
Here is another photo
September 8th, 2008
Video of the new 2009 Honda Big Red 700 MUV Side by Side
Honda finally jumps into the side by side market with what they are calling their MUV unit (Multi-Purpose Utility Vehicle). After 15 years of development and research, Honda has finally come up with what they are calling a multi-functioning side by side that is great for work and recreation.
I was recently invited by Honda to their press introduction of their new Big Red MUV. What a blast it was! The ride took place on Catalina Island off the coast of California. This island granted special permission to Honda to bring out their new Big Red MUV units and ride some of the back dirt roads. The ride time was actually a little shorter than normal events like this, but Honda did things right in presenting a great new vehicle to the market with a little different approach.
First Impression
My first impression was this new Side by Side was bigger than I had anticipated. This new Big Red 700 boasts nothing but pure Honda quality and putting simplicity/convenience and safety to the forefront.
Here are a couple of quick thoughts as I wanted to get this video posted to give you a first glance at the new Big Red from Honda. They are now available at select dealers now. A more in-depth article will be coming up in a future issue of Hunting Illustrated Magazine.
The fit and finish and overall quality is commendable. Honda is always at the top of their game on quality, but the Big Red seems top notch
This thing is big. This will NOT fit in the back of your truck (64″ wide and 114.7″ long). The cab is very roomy and Honda chose to do the bucket seats with seat belts with the parking brake lever in the middle.
Full cargo nets and doors are not a surprise being how safety is a big concern. However, the full cargo net on the sides was a little surprise and wasn’t bad getting in and out, but was a little obtrusive when looking out while drive, etc.
The foot pedals (brake and gas) are very good and don’t wiggle at all. Nice and tight. A lot of room on the floor and good angle areas for putting your feet on.
Dump box is wide enough to fit a full wood pallet in the back with the tailgate down. Back dump box has composite plastic sides and the bottom is a metal wrapped in composite plastic. Includes nice rubber mat as well and slight rounded corners so dirt and junk don’t get caught.
Maintenance is very convenient and the most thought out of any Side x Side. Easy access to the battery, air filter, oil and dipstick.
All four tires are the same size. At first I think this is what kind of gives the Big Red its “weird” look for lack of a better term. Kind of looks a little disproportionate, but the tires are a 25 x 10-12.
How is the power? Not bad, and for the size of the machine and the motor being a 675cc I think it does fine (1,431 lb. curb weight). Nothing that will blow your socks off, but Honda doesn’t like to blow your socks off with these kind of vehicles. Good low end power for the rough stuff and decent mid and high range. Also comes with fuel injection to help on cold starts, high altitude and performance.
But what about transmission? This was a big question for me as I was curious if they were going to put in their Hondamatic or not. I like the transmission they have in their Rubicon ATVs, etc. However, I was not impressed with the newer transmission they put in their 700 Rincon ATV. It looks like they did a little combination of both, however it leans more to the Rincon-type transmission. They call it an Automotive-style with three gears. The transmission is not a fluid pull of power. This has three distinct forward gears that does shift automatically as it goes through the power train. Overall this worked fine. However, this is still not my most preferred choice of transmission for an automatic.
Four-Wheel drive mode is the best Honda has ever put out. Why? This is Honda’s first attempt at all-wheel drive differential lock in any ATV or MUV. They have a simple lever on the dash that you can slide into two-wheel drive, four-wheel drive with limited slip in front, then you can go into four-wheel drive with all-wheel differential lock. This works very well and for a machine of this size is a must. I am impressed with Honda’s new four-wheel drive system and hope they start implementing their differential lock on their ATVs.
Braking and engine braking is good. For a vehicle of this size you need to get it stopped. The disc brakes does the job and Honda has a good “hold back” engine braking system that helps on steep descents. Put it in four-wheel drive mode and you have all four tires holding you back.
How is reverse? There is no override button on the Big Red so reverse power is just what you get. I stopped coming down a steep hill and purposely put it in reverse and went back up it. There was no problem and the power was good and strong.
Handling is good and overall the machine feels very stable. It is not made to bust in the corners and try and brake the back tires loose. For what it is it does fine. The suspension is also similar, as it works for moderate speeds and roads. The front suspension does have some limitations at higher speeds on rough, bumpy roads.
So what about price? I was actually a little surprised Honda was able to keep this vehicle in the 11,000 range. Not to say that is not a huge amount of money, but puts it competitive with the Ranger and Rhino. List price for the red Big Red is $11,399 and the Natural Gear Camo version of Big Red is $11,899.
Is it a good Hunting Rig?
I had at one time one of Honda’s lead Japanese developers with me riding in the passenger seat. During this ride I was purposely looking for anything I could go over that was rough or nasty. There was a rut that ran up the full length of this hill. I could have clearly avoided this and stayed on the “good” side of the road. As I busted up the ruts and put it into four-wheel drive, scraping the bottom, jerking us around quite a bit, spinning the tires, I could tell he was quite curious and amused.
After we had stopped at the top, he questioned why I choose to take the line that I did. He asked if that was similar to what I would find while out hunting. I told him that was nothing to what you will find out in the West during a hunt, but it was close to the circumstances that you will run into. Ruts, rocks, mud, steep and deep hills, and more are common. I think the Honda’s new Big Red 700 MUV will make a great hunting rig and they have plenty of cool accessories to add.
Early Conclusion
My ride time was limited to what was available at this event and we weren’t able to really let it all hang out due to the location and some of the restrictions that we had on the island. Honda is targeting the new Big Red 700 MUV Side by Side to the hard worker who likes to do some recreation on the weekends or hunts in the fall. More utility minded then sport, but overall recreation is very good. Definitely targets more of the Polaris Ranger crowd than say the Razor RZR or Yamaha Rhino 700.
Dealer Specs
Engine Type 675cc liquid-cooled OHV semi-dry-sump longitudinally mounted single-cylinder four-stroke
Bore and Stroke 102.0mm x 82.6mm
Induction Electronic fuel injection (PGM-FI): 40mm throttle body
Ignition Full-Transistorized type with electronic advance
Starter Electric
DRIVE TRAIN
Transmission Automatic with hydraulic torque converter, three forward gears, and reverse
Driveline Direct front and rear driveshafts with 3 drive modes: 2WD, 4WD, and 4WD with all-wheel differential lock
CHASSIS / SUSPENSION / BRAKES
Front Suspension Independent double-wishbone; 5.9-inch travel
Rear Suspension Independent double-wishbone; 7.1-inch travel
Front Brakes Dual hydraulic 200.0 mm discs
Rear Brakes Dual hydraulic 200.0 mm discs
Front Tires 25 x 10-12 bias
Rear Tires 25 x 10-12 bias
DIMENSIONS
Length 114.7 inches
Width 64.0 inches
Height 76.9 inches
Wheelbase 75.7 inches
Seat Height 34.0 inches
Bed Length Inside 33.0
Bed Width Inside 52.6
Bed Weight Capacity 500 lbs
Towing Capacity 1200 lbs
Ground Clearance 10.3 inches
Turning Radius 13.8 feet
Curb Weight 1431 pounds
Fuel Capacity 7.9 Gallons
OTHER
Note Recommended for Drivers 16 years of age and older.
Available Colors Red,Camo
Model ID MUV700
FACTORY WARRANTY INFORMATION
1 year Transferable, unlimited mileage limited warranty; extended coverage available with a Honda Protection Plan
September 6th, 2008
Ryan Hatch holds the velvet mule deer rack of the AZ Strip Buck taken by Alan Hamberlin in August 2008
Ok, this is huge and many of you have already heard. There recently has been a monster 300 inch mule deer buck taken off the AZ strip that could go down as one of the greatest. I can only go off of what information has been disclosed so far. Ryan Hatch and the Muley Crazy guys, Troy Brock and others found this amazing buck off the Arizona Strip.
Here is an excerpt from Ryan about this hunt and the buck itself:
The governors tags started on the 15th and we had planned to scour the country to re-find, or locate Houdini when just like that he came to water again allowing a second view, and at a month later the growth was staggering. Tory and I both thought the buck would gross score 285 inches with 12 points on both sides. Well, as it turns out we were wrong, in a good way wrong.
The buck hit the water a second time three days later and the rest is history. We knew at that moment it was now or never as I don’t know if the buck would ever surface again. Some hot hunting, a ton of excitement, a couple of huge lucky breaks, and Alan Hamberlin anchored what is the largest buck to come for the Arizona Strip, EVER!
Houdini is a buck like I thought I would never see in my lifetime. 41 Inches wide, 15 by 16, and gross scores 322, yes 322! The frame is 31 inches wide and a whopping 234 gross on the main frame alone. The mass was 26.5 and 25.
So let’s take a little closer look at what this buck means. Keep in mind that this buck is in the velvet and these are “green” scores. No word yet if the velvet will be stripped and officially entered in Boone & Crockett. The claimed gross score is 322. No net score has been mentioned right now. It looks like the buck is going to have more than average deductions off the typical frame, but if we go off the 322 gross non-typical, let’s say a net score would be 310 plus. Here are a few numbers I came up with to consider just where this buck stands with the all-time greats.
Only six mule deer net scoring 300 inches or more have an outside spread of 40-inches or more
There are only 23 mule deer that net score 300 B&C points or more
There are only 10 mule deer that net score 310 B&C or more (355 2/8 being the world’s record)
This could be maybe the second or third most massive buck to score over 300 inches
The gross typical frame of 234 (holy cow) could be legendary if in fact it is that big. Could be the biggest typical-framed buck to score over 300 inches.
The famed Arizona Strip is legendary for huge mule deer and a great history - this buck is now the biggest off the strip.
As you can see, this buck just doesn’t score high, he has the characteristics that I think could put him in a very elite class of legendary mule deer. Congratulations to Alan and everyone involved and can’t wait to see and hear more about this great mule deer from 2008.
September 2nd, 2008
