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New State Record Washington bull Elk

There has been some talk of a huge bull recently taken in the northwest. Some confusion is did it come from Oregon or Washington? This is not a 466 bull from Oregon. This huge bull elk was shot with a rifle in Washington and green scores 449 gross and 436 net non-typical. This elk was taken by Dan Agnew. I emailed Dan to confirm as it seems rumors are already abound about this new potential state record Washington non-typical elk.

The elk was taken on September 3, 2008 in eastern Washington and is a 9 x 10 that green scores 449 gross and 436 net non-typical.

How does this rank in the books?

The current state record is the Jeff Thorpe bull from 2003. Jeff took this elk with his bow and so is the overall state record in addition to archery state record. Jeff’s bull scores 421 7/8 B&C.

Dan Agnew Washington Elk 2008

The Dan Agnew bull with a green score (if this holds up) of 436 net B&C will not only shatter the state record but be the biggest bull elk from the northwest and also a potential top ten non-typical bull in the world.

Dan Agnew is no stranger to monster record book bulls. He currently has the #7 all-time non-typical bull and the #21 all-time typical bull – both coming from the San Carlos Apache Reservation.

I will post some more as I get more information about this awesome elk.

Man, the dark-horse bull elk from 2008 just might be from Washington. Who would have thought!

UPDATE: This bull has officially been scored and recognized by Boone & Crockett with a score of 436 4/8. This 9×10 point giant is the biggest bull in the state of Washington as a non-typical and ranks #13 in the world.

Here is another photo

Dan Agnew and his Washington bull elk

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  1. mike frazier
    77 mos, 1 wk ago

    that is a nice bull but where in eastern washington did he shoot it becuse most of the east side is spike only. I wonder if he had a speacial permit

    77 mos, 1 wk ago

    I believe that Mr. Agnew was in possession of our Governers Tag which allowed him the opportunity to hunt this BEAST of a bull.

  3. Scott
    77 mos, 1 wk ago

    I was told it was the Washington Govners Elk tag. Also told it was Taken around Dayton, WA

    77 mos, 1 wk ago

    He purchased the eastern washington governor’s taq for a mere $63,000
    It was shot on the west side of the blues in the dayton unit

  5. 77 mos, 1 wk ago

    Seriously.. $63,000 for a tag? That’s insane. Or, he’s just insanely rich. Either way.. insane!

  6. local
    77 mos, 1 wk ago

    I’m nos so sure it was in the Dayton unit. I heard it was in the wenaha unit? Can anyone battle my claims with concrete info. What a bull !!!

  7. Art
    77 mos, 1 wk ago

    I was emailed six photos of this bull. Both alive and after harvest. The one shown above is not one of them. But the ones I have show the antlers much better. The photo above really doesn’t do this bull justice. The straight on photo is most impressive. The mass is incredible. Do you not have other photos to post? I I can send the photos I have if given the email address. Can’t attach photos here and can’t find an address on the site. Also, that area around Mill Creek Watershed, where this bull was taken, overlaps into Oregon and is known for huge bulls but it is very difficult to draw a tag. I know of three huge archery bulls from that area on the Oregon side and have pictures.

  8. Art,
    I do have some other photos. I agree that the front on photo shows the elk the best. Therefore I have updated this post and included that photo as well.

    You are correct in regards to the tag that Dan Agnew had. It was the eastern Washington Governor’s tag.

    David King
    King’s Outdoor World
    Hunting Illustrated

  9. mike frazier
    77 mos, 1 wk ago


  10. ben smith
    77 mos, 1 wk ago

    that is a monster, but i dont think any animal that costs more then normal tags,permits should be a legal record. fair chase is when any one can hunt it. not vary many people can pay $63,000 to hunt, if it realy did cost that much. if it didnt cost that much then,,, wow and congrats!!!! some one i know got one that scored 354 down in the blues with a permit and has video of one that would have scord over 400.

  11. local
    77 mos ago

    ITS NOT A HIGH FENCE BULL!!!! But even so it is still the governors tag and I disagree with that. It shouldnt even be eligable for the record book. Oh well what can a poor bee farmer do?

  12. chump
    77 mos ago

    nice bull!!, Corey, did you guide?…nice…its not a high fence…its in the mountains , man!!
    chump….formally of Walla Walla.

  13. Art
    77 mos ago

    I always felt the record book was to honor and admire the animal NOT the hunter. Who knows, if it wasn’t for this expensive state wide tag and an army of scouts and guides this bull may of lived out his life and died with no one knowing he existed. At least now Washington will get the recognition of having monster elk and we all get to see a magnificent specimen. Who cares who harvested it, as long as it was legal.

  14. mark mebes
    77 mos ago

    There has been a lot of talk around here this year about a set of 400+ sheds that were found in the area this spring. I also heard that “the guy that got the Governor’s Tag” was trying to find out where they were found. I wonder if this is the same bull. Good for him I say. If I had $63,000 for recreation that is how I would spend it. There are a few 400+ bulls in the blues, it is nice to see someone get one.

  15. MIke
    76 mos, 4 wks ago

    What the heck is a govorners tag, I do not see any reference to in in the rules.

  16. Tyler
    76 mos, 4 wks ago

    Don’t get me wrong this is a very nice bull. However it is very pathetic that a person has to pay 63,000 to buy this bull, that is not a fair chase hunt when you hire guides to find you an animal. It is a disgace that hunting has came to how big your wallet is.

  17. branch bull '08
    76 mos, 4 wks ago

    This bull was the governor’s tag for eastern washington. He was shot on Chase Mountain with the assistance from several guides. When the bull was found, the hunter was called, he flew in to Walla Walla airport, and then shot the bull the next day. He took the horns, and got back on his jet and left. I think it is wrong and disrespectful of the animal. If you can’t put in the time and effort to respect the animal, DON’T HUNT IT.

  18. randy schmeusser
    76 mos, 4 wks ago

    Who were the guides for this hunt?

  19. Mike Posada
    76 mos, 4 wks ago

    Nice bull. Hey Dan, call me next year if you want to see a even bigger one. I bet you buy that tag again.

  20. Brook
    76 mos, 3 wks ago

    Get over the fact that Mr Agnew spent big $ for the opportunity to hunt this great bull! I can’t think of a better thing to do with money than to pursue a trophy bull! One guide, two guides, or 10..Fair chase is fair chase and it’s good to see Washington Guides come thru in a big way!

  21. Jack
    76 mos, 3 wks ago

    The sad part is the money does not go towards wildlife, but as with the rest of the tag money it goes directly into the general fund (which is spent on mostly Welfare and Police) and less than 2% is spend on anything to do with wildlife. This person killed this elk, but he did not hunt it…..he is not a hunter.

  22. 76 mos, 3 wks ago

    Actually the money does go towards wildlife per law see below. From what I have looked at it appears his tag was auctioned by RMEF at the 2008 Elk Camp in Reno.

    By law, the revenue from a particular species auction and raffle tags must be spent on management of that species. Given that, the expenditures (since July 1999) for deer and elk have been marked for special projects, including a buck mortality study on black-tailed deer, investigations of deer hair loss syndrome, elk augmentations, elk carry-capacity study, and elk calf survival investigations. Expenditures for bighorn sheep, moose, and mountain goats has been primarily for annual surveys for these species (83%), with smaller costs associated with special research projects (8%) and raffle tag marketing (9%).

  23. TDH
    76 mos, 3 wks ago

    It is a great bull, and a fine example of what Washington can produce, no debate there.
    But there’s no way, in my opinion, that a big money auction tag hunt, unless the same rules/seasons would apply for it as everyone else, should be considered a Fair Chase.
    Fair Chase if you have Batman money to enter the extreme high dollar bid wars, so as to be able to BUY a bull, or buck of this caliber maybe.
    If it was a drawn tag it would be different.
    That is what keeps it Fair Chase…..everyone has a chance.
    This way you only have a chance if you’re willing to spend more than the next guy!
    Look at the antelope records.
    Govenors tag in Arizona is the current shared WR .
    The same guy who holds the record now, just killed another one this year, they’re saying may break his own, with….yep, another Govenors tag…..$60 some thousand worth, with the same guide outfit.
    That is Fair Chase?
    At least put one of those lil’ marks after the entry, that would let us know how much the guy bought it for…….
    Bottom line, I don’t blame the guides or the hunter, and not even the trophy, but the rules need to change to better define Fair Chase in my opinion.

  24. Jon Hammermeister
    76 mos, 3 wks ago

    Whether he bought the tag or was drawn for the tag, he harvested a big bull. You get drawn for that tag and pay for a guide to get you in on a bull like that or spend the time to find him yourself either way it is hunting. Was he supposed to drive there instead of fly would that make it better. So what if he has enough money to buy the tag if he didn’t buy it someone else would.

  25. Pat
    76 mos, 3 wks ago

    From the background in an email photo I saw (not shown here) it looks to me that it’s in the Wenaha on Sawtooth Ridge. About a mile from the trailhead. Toward the top of that first big hole on the west side of the trail.

  26. Local
    76 mos, 3 wks ago

    Hey branch bull ’08, are you a local? Had you seen this bull before?

  27. wash bull
    76 mos, 3 wks ago

    FLAT OUT THIS IS NOT HUNTING!!!! Money talks and unfortunately this bull is a commodity. To hire someone to locate and sit on an animal until your arrival to place the shot lacks any type or form of morals or ethics. I’ts all about bragging rights and a complete lack of respect for the animal you pursue.

  28. jd
    76 mos, 3 wks ago

    I’ve known Dan for many years as he was neighbor of mine in Centraila,Wa If you don’t know, he inherited some great wealth some years ago. It is not uncommon for Dan to spend an enormous amount of money for elk tags. Take a look at the jrecords, he holds the record I believe in the REMF auctions as well. Us normal folks would never get the chance to harvest these types of Bulls without the $$$$$$$.
    Good Hunting anyway.

  29. randall
    76 mos, 3 wks ago

    clearly a magnificant animal, this bull was harvested on public land,( Umatilla National Forest, Walla Walla Ranger District), the debate over how hard this particular hunter worked for him is a fair debate, bottom line this part of the Northwest houses some large bulls that are drawing plenty of attention..

  30. Marshal
    76 mos, 3 wks ago

    that is a nice bull, I would personally have a hard time bragging about a $63,000 bull. In Oregon and Washington it is hard to draw tags for trophy units and these so called hunters with their governor’s tags go into the prime units and kill huge bulls with rifles during archery season. Thats what I call hunting!!!

  31. Montana old school hunter
    76 mos, 3 wks ago

    The antlers on this bull show a lot of Red Deer characteristics.

    I wonder if this bull was an escapee from the Idaho game farms? It should be genetically tested.

  32. Kerry
    76 mos, 3 wks ago

    So this guy simply paid $63,000 to fly in and pull the trigger on a truely magnificent animal. Absolutely pathetic IMO and this is EXACTLY what is wrong with “hunting” today and this guy deserves no recognition what so ever.

  33. Del Jones
    76 mos, 3 wks ago

    Also you can get this same tag your self yes if your lucky and only cost a few dollars i put in every year for them a local guy I know has drawn at lest 2 or 3 of them in a raffle just rember any animal is a trophy rember that fists buck that forked horn biggest animal you ever set eyes on and the memories will last forever no matter what the size my wifes elk hunt called dozen or more 300 class bulls no she didnt get one but I will rember that moment on each bull for ever and the look and smile on her face when they where 20 yards away

  34. Matt
    76 mos, 3 wks ago

    One heck of a bull! I just wish they would spook few of these bulls over into Idaho. Does anyone know if you can archery hunt without a special permit in the area or for that matter is it spike only all over Washington? Rifle and archery?

  35. 76 mos, 3 wks ago

    Jealousy in the hunting world is incrediable! This bull was taken legaly and fair chase. If anybody had the same kind if $$ as the hunter i would gaurentee you that they would do the same thing as he did. Just recognize the bull for what it is. Maybe some day we all will draw a permit and be lucky enough to hire some dedicated individuals to help locate and spot a “toad”. Being that most of us do not live where we have access to public property so close to home. With the price of fuel most of us can not travel every weekend and evenings to scout. Therefore if some one can afford to pay some one to scout for them, what better way is there to “fuel the economy”?

  36. legal hunter
    76 mos, 3 wks ago

    I have to agree that this is a nice bull. You know what would even be nicer, if the WDFW allowed other paying hunters to get opportunities like this. i am not talking about people who can afford $63,000 for a tag, but those who have put in for many years for a branch antler bull tag and have never been drawn. I bet those people at the WDFW office often get drawn for big bull tags….Amazing how that works! The point system in the state is a joke, but apparently money can by anything, even a Boone and Crocket bull elk. Amazing what happens when you know someone that works for the WDFW….You get a nice trophy bull!

  37. Fishm@n
    76 mos, 3 wks ago

    I agree with both sides on this one to certain degrees. I think at the very least the guy could have worked harder for it regardless of how wealthy he is. Most of us elk hunters work so freaking hard to get close to any elk that the ease of this kill makes it hard to swallow.

    That said if this was $63 grand spent at an RMEF auction then it is money VERY WELL spent and to the good of all elk and wildlife habitat.. if you don’t believe that you’re not very well informed or are perhaps living under a rock.

  38. wyohunter29
    76 mos, 2 wks ago

    This bull is a huge bull by any standards. I myself would not pay that kind of money for an elk. He apperantly has the cash flow to be able to spend that kind of money so be it. I just believe that a hunt like that is not in the true essence of hunting. He didn’t have to hunt for that bull he had someone find it for him. That to me is not hunting. I can’t take anything away from the bull it is huge.

  39. Dan
    76 mos, 2 wks ago

    I’m tring to figure out if some of you are upset about the killing of such a great animal or that someone paid a huge sum of money for the tag, guides, and travel to hunt a huge animal. It’s never boring to go after spikes and 3 points all the time, but if you had the money to go on a big trophy hunt, wouldn’t you do it. Is it any different than an Africian safari lion hunt or a marlin fishing trip in mexico. At least he spent the money in state, which the money from big hunts like this keep our hunting tag prices lower, and was taken in a spike only unit where he wasn’t stealing it from other possible hunters.

  40. AARON
    76 mos, 2 wks ago


  41. jkh
    76 mos, 2 wks ago

    It is a nice bull, but at what cost? It is a shame to take such a magnificent animal. The rich get to buy these tags and that is just wrong. Even worse is the fact he hired people to track it for him and learn where and when it traveled. How sporting…NOT!! To try and build the herds from good genetics is now gone. I feel that a person needs to hunt in the unit in which he lives and stay out of our back yard with your fat pocket book. This is a real crime.

  42. Ron
    76 mos, 2 wks ago

    I also have six pictures of the bull, they gave credit to someone named Butterfeild, maybe that was who took the pictures. They say the Bull was killed in the Wenaha.. The Wenaha Tecan wilderness is in Ore. and Wash.I Don’t Know Dan Agnew but Believe everyone who says he killed it.I hunted this area forty or more years ago when I was in High school.They kill some nice bull there every year, it’s hard to draw a tag.I am currious about the 466 inch Oregon Bull. Does anyone have info or was it a rumor?

  43. Ron
    76 mos, 2 wks ago

    I will guarantee you he didn’t fly in and shoot this elk. He’s a lucky man who has the money to do what he enjoys. He won this on a Raffle tag. I am not sure how much it cost but under Five dollars.At least I read it was a Raffle and not Auction.Face it thats the way it is now a days. Any wild Bull that big wasn’t dumb. We have a couple big old bulls in our neighborhood. They don’t come to calls, and they survive about five different hunts ever year.Very few people have ever laided eyes on anything but their tracks.Neither is as big as this bull.

  44. loren lehman
    76 mos, 1 wk ago

    The bull taken in the blue mt. by Dan is a great Bull. I have a friend that shot a bull this year with his bow that might beat Dans bull as the new state record.

  45. EOElkhunter
    76 mos, 1 wk ago

    I don’t know Washington’s unit names but the Wenaha unit is in Oregon. Although Wenaha does border Washington near Dayton.

    76 mos, 1 wk ago


  47. Buck
    76 mos, 1 wk ago

    Wow what a bull. I know one of the guides and this hunter came in two weeks prior and scouted the area for 3 days before yes receiving a call an flying over once they had spotted the bull. I do think its crazy that he paid 63,000 for the tag but if i could do it and get a monster like this why not especially when the money goes to the rocky mountain elk foundation. I love the comments about the people claiming he isn’t a hunter and what is a governers tag? haha why are we so negative and such haters. If there is one place people can go and not be judged buy status and the money you have in this world, it is out hunting geared up in the same camo as the guy next to ya both smothered with deer scent enjoying the serenity of nature and all that comes with it.

  48. Curtis
    76 mos, 1 wk ago

    I have a book called “Idaho’s Greatest Mule Deer”. The book tells the story of the biggest mule deer taken or found dead in the state of Idaho. The book is great and I would recommend it to anyone who likes to see big mule deer. I bring it up because as you read through this book you will not find many stories that start out about how the hunter paid thousands for the Gov’s tag and then hired an outfitter to find a trophy for him. Most of them are hunters that didn’t have that kind of money and hunting was something they did only during the season. Now you go buy a hunting magazine and the first few paragraphs on each animal might as well be an add for the outfitters used for the hunt. As for Dan’s money going to a good cause I would disagree. The money will help to manage the elk herds but all that means is they will restrict more areas to keep you and me from shooting the big bulls so that in a few years Dan can over pay for another trophy like he has done in the past on the San Carlos. It isn’t fair chase when you have guys like Dan or the guy that shot the “Spider Bull” who can buy trophies as they have.

  49. ANDREW
    76 mos, 1 wk ago

    First off I would like to congratulate Dan on a awsome bull. All you jealous people that like to make stuff up and belittle people for their accomplishments make hunters look bad. The only way to shoot a big bull in that area is to buy the gov. tag or draw a tag. If a guy has money let him spend it he earned it. Im sure the trucks you drive around with their huge lift kits and over sized tiers and alumminum wheels and any other assesories cost more than 63 thousand dollars . And for what you probable dont eaven take them off the pavement! All you haters get a life!!!!!! So I see Dan shot another bull this year that scores over 400″ let the bashing start all over?

  50. William D. Ward`=
    76 mos ago

    What a bunch of jealous sore-heads…


  51. Zach
    76 mos ago

    YAY another guy that paid big bucks to go shoot him. He paid 63 thousand dollars for the govonor tag. He had guys scout him for him and when they found where he was they called him and he went out and shot it. IT WAS IN THE FIRST HALF AND HOUR THE MORNING WHEN HE WENT HUNTINg.

  52. Rob
    75 mos, 4 wks ago

    Curtis, I must disagree with you. What your saying about “Idahos Biggest Mule Deer” makes no sense. Do you use a good pair of binoculars when your hunting?!?!? I bet those guys in your book didnt have 1000$ Swarvoskis… Dont tell me you wouldnt buy the nicest scope you could afford if it helped your chances in the field. Unfortunatly for us and fortunatly for him he can afford a 60k$ governers tag, if I had that kinda spare cash you bet your ass I would do it. As for the money not benefitting the average hunter, thats ridiculus if people like you controlled permits and such, the elk herds would be diminished in a matter of years. The people that you say will restrict more area, are why bulls like this are around. Without them the sport of hunting woud not exsist…. (sorry for the rant)

  53. carnivore
    75 mos, 3 wks ago

    Well it looks like Mr. agnews bull is not so big anymore. the pther bull that had rumors about it was shot on tuesday Oct 21 in the same unit. It scores 451. It is the one that the WDFW is passing the pics around trying to get a good price for next years govenor tag.I do not know if the guy is going to turn it in or not. He was just an average Joe that said when he drew out the anybull tag after aquireing points that he would just be happy to shoot any bull bigger than a 3 point. Now that is a true trophy not paid for just a good bull shot by an average Joe

  54. cross tha creek
    75 mos, 3 wks ago

    My last comment was not approved for posting, so I will try to reword my comments. I don’t know if my first comment was considered an “attack” on this guy or what…but I was simply relaying the information that I recievd from the Wildlife Enforcement Officer, from which area the bull was taken. Long story short, this guy had lots of help from the hired guide service, as well as help from a hired helicopter, to haze the bull onto the open hillside. This bull was not taken honorably or respectfully. This man does not deserve the right to get it scored, it wasn’t a fair chase by any means. I am also told, that this guy is in trouble for his actions. This is not an attack on the man, just telling the truth about the hunt….

  55. raggey
    75 mos, 3 wks ago

    Carnivore is right…the “other” big bull (who’s prior year’s sheds have been senn by everyone) was taken in the same general area over a week ago. However, this year that “other” big bull is a 7 x 7 typical (not the 8 x 8 non-typical that he was last year) that will socre in the 415-420 range. This bull will likely be the new #2 typical in Washington as the current typical record (the Gunnier bull scoring 420 5/8 net) appears safe but we all will wait for the offical score. He will not socre close to 451 (I’ve seen the pics).

  56. ben
    75 mos, 1 wk ago

    this is a great trophy to anyone. BUT i think faire chase should also be faire chance for every hunter.for it to be a true record then the tag should be atainable to all hunters that buy tags and draw permits, not just the rich guys. i dont think ther is anything wrong with what this guy did, i just dont think it should be in the same books. i know he can hunt with any wepon but since when can u not use hunters ornge during rifel season, more rule bending for the guys with money? to many records are being broke with this gov tag in many states not just here.

  57. cross tha creek
    75 mos ago

    I can’t believe no body has any comments about my last inquiry…I see “Ben” wrote about hunter orange and rule bending….but it wouldn’t have mattered if all these guys had tied cow bells around their necks!! With the aid of the helicopter to haze this bull out, and all the horses used with the guide service…. I know who he is (the guide) I find it incredibly disturbing that no one else has heard of this, or maybe has and just don’t believe it!?!? I ask you all….why would a Wildlife Game Enforcement Officer lie to me about this!?!? In fact two different Game Enforcement Officers gave me this information. I am only a hunter with no inside ties or anything like that…I just talk to the Watershed Enforcement guys and Wildlife Enforcement guys… I am amazed that I haven’t seen more on this story. Everything was confiscated and he faces charges and fines!!!! That poor Bull had no chance against those odds!! He was trapped between a helicopter, men on horseback (guides), the actual hunter with the rifle, not to mention some of the terrain!!! I am sickened by the whole thing…….

  58. raggey
    75 mos ago

    “…the poor bull had not chance against the odds, he was trapped between a helicopter, men on horseback (guides), the actual hunter with a rifle, not to mention some of the terrain”…man, if that’s your story on this hunt you have got some incredibly bad information and have no clue as to what actually happened.

    This bull was killed after being seen by the outfitter, guide and hunter from a pickup within a 1/2 mile of a FS road in the first 1/2 hour of daylight on the hunter’s first day of hunting after arriving in camp the night before. Yes, the hunter had a rifle and the terrain was steep but a Helicopter? Men (guides) on horseback?A trapped bull with no chance or place to go?

    Maybe another year, maybe another hunt, maybe another tag holder, maybe another guide service but certainly not this year’s hunter or his hunt for this bull! BE SURE you have your facts straight before you gossip and spread lies such as this.

  59. OneShotWoman
    74 mos, 3 wks ago

    I think that this is a nice bull, I have been hunting deer in North Idahofor about 12 years, and really trying hard for about 3 years to find an elk, mostly I just run in to people, though. I haven’t been able to get a good shot at an elk, but I am definately not going to go buy one. I would rather spend another three years walking my butt off looking for a spike, maybe even a cow, you cant eat antlers anyways.

  60. roosevelt
    74 mos, 2 wks ago

    Great bull. I don’t think any tag that allows you to hunt any unit, during the rut with a rifle, should be allowed in the books. Take your trophy, hang it on your wall and buy another one. Don’t let them in the books with your true hunters, who don’t stand a chance of “buying” their trophy. And if he was buying the tag to help out the elk cause, let him donate the money, and buy a general season tag. Just because you have money, you shouldn’t be allowed to break the rules; right OJ.

  61. 74 mos, 2 wks ago

    Cross tha creek is full of B.S. up to his eyeballs!! Unbeliavable how somebody can come up with so much b.s. Horse’s and Helicopter’s??? That dude watches to much T.V.

  62. Lowell
    74 mos, 1 wk ago

    Does anyone know how to get the facts? how much $ or where this came from?

  63. Lisa
    74 mos ago

    All I read about is complaints about this person and a few compliments.. My question is this…. I see he took the horns and left.. What happend to the meat of this bull, did it go to rot, or did it get go for food. I was always taught , don’t kill it unless you are going to eat it. Just wondering what happend to the bull ? And congrats to the hunter.

  64. 74 mos ago

    im not sure if dan did allthe things that cross tha creek implies and honestly i hope that if he has any amount of true sportsman in his blood he didnt,however with the way the gov. works in ore,wash, and other states i have been priviledged to hunt,i have seen a lot of wastefulness and complete disregard for our wildlife and giving respect to the the true majesty of a monster muley or a toad of a bull elk. all of us who hunt for these types of animals on a truly fair chase playing field know how amazingly hard it is to honestly harvest an animal of this magnitude,i hope that the wdw didnt allow this to happen but it wouldnt surprise me after all our states allow them to put up scruffy and entice people to shoot from the road! so i agree this bull shouldnt be allowed in the books if it wasnt fair chase

  65. raggey
    74 mos ago

    Why would this auction tag hunter take the horns and leave the meat? The elk was cut and quartered in the field and 100% of the meat was packed out…some taken by the hunter, the rest donated and none went to waste.

    Facts and story of the hunt have appeared in multiple newspaper articles…Spokesman Review, Oregonian, The Daily Chronicle, Wenatchee World, etc. Unfortunately, a lot of misinformation and lies have been spread as well.

  66. ben
    74 mos ago

    just because it is in the news papers does not make it fact!!!! but i have no problem with what he did, people can spend there money however they want, but it SHOULD NOT BE IN THE RECORDS WITH REGULAR TAG HUNTERS. what is the differance between a ranch hunt and having guides sit on the elk for days waiting for you to come shoot it. and the part about having guides ther long before him, was info he gave in one of his newspapers..

  67. Little Timmy
    73 mos, 4 wks ago

    It would be nice to get the whole story, probably won’t happen, and I even know one of the guys who went on this trip, but if we think about it this is not much different than if one of us drew a big horn sheep tag. We would all spend a ton of money, whether we had it or not, to scout, hike, hire a guide and maybe even fly the area to insure we had a probability of success. Can we compete with Dan’s funding, probably not. Is it the way I like to hunt, no. Do I think there should be a dividing line between traditional hunters, taught be their dads or self taught, and those that hire guides or private hunts, sure. But as long as men will be men, someone will cheat so there will never clearly be a line drawn. It is truly awesome to see an animal like this. Some of our thoughts may be envy, ego or frustration, I just hope all of us realize what we need to do to keep hunting open for everyone to enjoy. That means respecting people’s property, not leaving a mess, poaching and follow the guidlines. But that also means not charging people to cross your property to public lands. Buying up open land just to charge people to hunt on it and everything else that comes with greed. Hunting has always been a way for people to come back to their roots and if we continue to abuse it, no matter how big or small our pocket book, we may not have a chance to share the experience with our children. I am already experiencing this as I teach my boys to hunt, with respect and dignity, by all of the lands that are either closed or baught up for greed. Think of this and see what you can do to help the sport, that includes those with both with fat and skinny wallets. Too bad my statements will mostly likely be forgotten after one reads this. I just hope I can stil share the outdoors with my kids!

  68. raggey
    73 mos, 3 wks ago

    I’m not sure I understand your logic about disqualifying this bull from the record book.

    All current rules of Boone & Crockett, Pope & Young and other organizations allow entry of big game into the record books when killed by Governors, auction or raffle tag hunters (or any other hunter for that matter) who are assisted by professional guides in scouting, locating and hunting their animals.

    This is fundamentally no different that your favored “Regular Tag Hunters” who take a half dozen of their own family members, friends and hunting buddies with them into the woods to help them scout, locate and hunt their animals.

    What, you want to disqualify them too when brother Bob and Uncle Joe find an elk or deer and sit on it until the “Regular Tag Hunter” gets the phone call, heads to elk camp and shows up to pursue his trophy? Or is this different in your mind?

    I’m assuming the only big game you want to qualify for the record books is those harvested by the solo DIY regular tag hunter who has no help or assistance, correct?

  69. roosevelt
    73 mos, 3 wks ago

    Think about it raggey. I’m talking about hunting during the rut with a rifle. Only bow hunters, and the person who buy’s the governers tag can do this. Bows vs. guns. Who cares what guides he gets. He’s only paying them to tell him where the elk is. If I hunted during the rut with a rifle, I could kill a record book bull EVERY year. That’s why they shouldn’t be allowed in the books. Is it really that hard to comprehend?

  70. ben
    73 mos, 3 wks ago

    i have never known or evan herd of someone sitting on a animal for someone else to come shoot. you must have some great friends. everyone i know would just shoot it. is there anyone here on this blog that goes out and sits on a animal for there friends for days? this is a real question and i would like to here answers from everyone. how many of us could shoot a monster bull in archery season if we used a gun. everyone. thats not hunting, thats why the seasons are the way they are. guided hunts are diferant, thats why they promise a 90% chance or better of getting a bull. how many of us get that each year. im not saying its wrong, just different. its the differents between real hunters and people shooting . soon all recordswill be held by the rich guys. look at how many records have been broken with gov tags in the last 5 years. AGAIN IM NOT BITTER, I THINK THE ANIMALS ARE AWESOM AND GANGRATS TO THE HUNTERS, BUT I IS JUST NOT THE SAME.

  71. catketcher
    72 mos, 1 wk ago

    you people are just upset you didnt kill him. my buddy’s wife drew the dayton archery bull tag this year and we didnt get mad that the governors tag killed it before we got a chance. that bull was killed on chase mountain about 2 miles from our camp. we wern’t mad, she killed a great 350 bull. she missed some that were over 4oo hundred that i got on video. he aint the only big boy out there. quit whining and hunt

  72. Christy Whitman
    67 mos, 3 wks ago

    To have the opportunity to shoot such a large bull under any circumstances is an accomplishment. If he paid 63K for athat tag and it helps with conservation great. I drew the dayton unit for rifle and am tickled to death. Yeh, I’m a woman and all that but I hunt hard when ever I’m in the field. I’ve shot several muleys and blktails. None are huge but one muley is out to the ears, perfectly symetrical, and on my wall. I’m proud to say I dragged that deer out of the mountains for 2 hours with my 12 year old daughter, a 17 year old young man from our church and had it hanging in camp ready for my husband to cape for the wall. It will always be a trophy to me. I can’t wait to hunt this elk, (t will be my first elk hunt) I hope to shoot something huge but will be satisfied with what I get. It will be the first animal I hunt that my husband will be with me. We have a few daughters that we take hunting also which has made it almost impossible fore him and I to hunt together. Yes he will help me find and hunt this bull but you can be sure I’m packing my share out. That’s how I like to hunt so any elk taken that way will be a trophy for me. Yes permit hunting is a great way to have the opportunity to get a large bull cause the general public hasn’t shot them all before they reach maturity. Good luck on drawing this tag in the future, I got it with only 5 points and can’t wait.

  73. meatman
    67 mos, 1 wk ago

    it’s a nice bull! but this guy didn’t hunt he paid for someone to do all the ground work for him it sounds like from some of the postings? I don’t know the hole strory behind this. I agree if he paid with his wallet for this record then fair chase was never in the mix and B&C should not allow this in the rocord books but maybe start a new category for the very wealthy, called look what i bought!

  74. meatman
    67 mos, 1 wk ago

    i would like to know the name of the outfitters this guy used?

  75. Rick Payne
    67 mos ago

    Hi Guy’s,
    Just took a look @ the Blue mntn Bull………I grew up in Dayton, and still have family there, I have personally seen bull(s) that size in areas that we hunt ( mostly for deer, 3-point minimum rule and there are some nice bucks there) and yes it is a “spike only” area, with the exception of drawing a cow tag(antler less) or a coveted branch antlered tag…………when I was a kid you could hunt any elk, then it went to permits for cows, and then SPIKE ONLY , that was originally meant to be short term….well that was about 20 yrs. ago………I have never put in for those tags, when they went spike only, I started hunting Idaho, Montana, ……well you get the point. I have some relatives that have put in unsuccessfully for many years…. the drawing odds are nothing short of ‘DIVINE INTERVENTION’……….but we always had fun going up in September and doing a little(a Lot ) of bugling……there is usually a good bull taken in there every few years or so…….MY brother in law lives on the south end of town….we were privileged to watch a nice 7×7 bull, and a large 5×5 whitetail buck spend part of their winter just a few hundred yards above his house…..pretty cool………….most people are not aware of this little out of the way place!!….thanks for taken the time to read this, hope the info was helpful and accurate……….Rick!!

    P.S. Great place for Blacks(bears I mean)…Good Hunting!!

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