Comments on: New State Record Washington bull Elk http://blog.kingsoutdoorworld.com/2008/09/08/new-state-record-washington-bull-elk/ Behind the Scenes at King's Sat, 07 Nov 2009 23:13:46 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.2 Comment on New State Record Washington bull Elk by: Rick Payne http://blog.kingsoutdoorworld.com/2008/09/08/new-state-record-washington-bull-elk/#comment-526300 Wed, 15 Jul 2009 13:32:23 +0000 http://blog.kingsoutdoorworld.com/2008/09/08/new-state-record-washington-bull-elk/#comment-526300 Hi Guy's, Just took a look @ the Blue mntn Bull.........I grew up in Dayton, and still have family there, I have personally seen bull(s) that size in areas that we hunt ( mostly for deer, 3-point minimum rule and there are some nice bucks there) and yes it is a "spike only" area, with the exception of drawing a cow tag(antler less) or a coveted branch antlered tag............when I was a kid you could hunt any elk, then it went to permits for cows, and then SPIKE ONLY , that was originally meant to be short term....well that was about 20 yrs. ago.........I have never put in for those tags, when they went spike only, I started hunting Idaho, Montana, ......well you get the point. I have some relatives that have put in unsuccessfully for many years.... the drawing odds are nothing short of 'DIVINE INTERVENTION'..........but we always had fun going up in September and doing a little(a Lot ) of bugling......there is usually a good bull taken in there every few years or so.......MY brother in law lives on the south end of town....we were privileged to watch a nice 7x7 bull, and a large 5x5 whitetail buck spend part of their winter just a few hundred yards above his house.....pretty cool.............most people are not aware of this little out of the way place!!....thanks for taken the time to read this, hope the info was helpful and accurate..........Rick!! P.S. Great place for Blacks(bears I mean)...Good Hunting!! Hi Guy’s,
Just took a look @ the Blue mntn Bull………I grew up in Dayton, and still have family there, I have personally seen bull(s) that size in areas that we hunt ( mostly for deer, 3-point minimum rule and there are some nice bucks there) and yes it is a “spike only” area, with the exception of drawing a cow tag(antler less) or a coveted branch antlered tag…………when I was a kid you could hunt any elk, then it went to permits for cows, and then SPIKE ONLY , that was originally meant to be short term….well that was about 20 yrs. ago………I have never put in for those tags, when they went spike only, I started hunting Idaho, Montana, ……well you get the point. I have some relatives that have put in unsuccessfully for many years…. the drawing odds are nothing short of ‘DIVINE INTERVENTION’……….but we always had fun going up in September and doing a little(a Lot ) of bugling……there is usually a good bull taken in there every few years or so…….MY brother in law lives on the south end of town….we were privileged to watch a nice 7×7 bull, and a large 5×5 whitetail buck spend part of their winter just a few hundred yards above his house…..pretty cool………….most people are not aware of this little out of the way place!!….thanks for taken the time to read this, hope the info was helpful and accurate……….Rick!!

P.S. Great place for Blacks(bears I mean)…Good Hunting!!

]]> Comment on New State Record Washington bull Elk by: meatman http://blog.kingsoutdoorworld.com/2008/09/08/new-state-record-washington-bull-elk/#comment-522345 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:41:14 +0000 http://blog.kingsoutdoorworld.com/2008/09/08/new-state-record-washington-bull-elk/#comment-522345 i would like to know the name of the outfitters this guy used? i would like to know the name of the outfitters this guy used?

]]> Comment on New State Record Washington bull Elk by: meatman http://blog.kingsoutdoorworld.com/2008/09/08/new-state-record-washington-bull-elk/#comment-522324 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:39:54 +0000 http://blog.kingsoutdoorworld.com/2008/09/08/new-state-record-washington-bull-elk/#comment-522324 it's a nice bull! but this guy didn't hunt he paid for someone to do all the ground work for him it sounds like from some of the postings? I don't know the hole strory behind this. I agree if he paid with his wallet for this record then fair chase was never in the mix and B&C should not allow this in the rocord books but maybe start a new category for the very wealthy, called look what i bought! it’s a nice bull! but this guy didn’t hunt he paid for someone to do all the ground work for him it sounds like from some of the postings? I don’t know the hole strory behind this. I agree if he paid with his wallet for this record then fair chase was never in the mix and B&C should not allow this in the rocord books but maybe start a new category for the very wealthy, called look what i bought!

]]> Comment on New State Record Washington bull Elk by: Christy Whitman http://blog.kingsoutdoorworld.com/2008/09/08/new-state-record-washington-bull-elk/#comment-517721 Wed, 24 Jun 2009 23:28:01 +0000 http://blog.kingsoutdoorworld.com/2008/09/08/new-state-record-washington-bull-elk/#comment-517721 To have the opportunity to shoot such a large bull under any circumstances is an accomplishment. If he paid 63K for athat tag and it helps with conservation great. I drew the dayton unit for rifle and am tickled to death. Yeh, I'm a woman and all that but I hunt hard when ever I'm in the field. I've shot several muleys and blktails. None are huge but one muley is out to the ears, perfectly symetrical, and on my wall. I'm proud to say I dragged that deer out of the mountains for 2 hours with my 12 year old daughter, a 17 year old young man from our church and had it hanging in camp ready for my husband to cape for the wall. It will always be a trophy to me. I can't wait to hunt this elk, (t will be my first elk hunt) I hope to shoot something huge but will be satisfied with what I get. It will be the first animal I hunt that my husband will be with me. We have a few daughters that we take hunting also which has made it almost impossible fore him and I to hunt together. Yes he will help me find and hunt this bull but you can be sure I'm packing my share out. That's how I like to hunt so any elk taken that way will be a trophy for me. Yes permit hunting is a great way to have the opportunity to get a large bull cause the general public hasn't shot them all before they reach maturity. Good luck on drawing this tag in the future, I got it with only 5 points and can't wait. To have the opportunity to shoot such a large bull under any circumstances is an accomplishment. If he paid 63K for athat tag and it helps with conservation great. I drew the dayton unit for rifle and am tickled to death. Yeh, I’m a woman and all that but I hunt hard when ever I’m in the field. I’ve shot several muleys and blktails. None are huge but one muley is out to the ears, perfectly symetrical, and on my wall. I’m proud to say I dragged that deer out of the mountains for 2 hours with my 12 year old daughter, a 17 year old young man from our church and had it hanging in camp ready for my husband to cape for the wall. It will always be a trophy to me. I can’t wait to hunt this elk, (t will be my first elk hunt) I hope to shoot something huge but will be satisfied with what I get. It will be the first animal I hunt that my husband will be with me. We have a few daughters that we take hunting also which has made it almost impossible fore him and I to hunt together. Yes he will help me find and hunt this bull but you can be sure I’m packing my share out. That’s how I like to hunt so any elk taken that way will be a trophy for me. Yes permit hunting is a great way to have the opportunity to get a large bull cause the general public hasn’t shot them all before they reach maturity. Good luck on drawing this tag in the future, I got it with only 5 points and can’t wait.

]]> Comment on New State Record Washington bull Elk by: catketcher http://blog.kingsoutdoorworld.com/2008/09/08/new-state-record-washington-bull-elk/#comment-405418 Wed, 11 Feb 2009 20:35:43 +0000 http://blog.kingsoutdoorworld.com/2008/09/08/new-state-record-washington-bull-elk/#comment-405418 you people are just upset you didnt kill him. my buddy's wife drew the dayton archery bull tag this year and we didnt get mad that the governors tag killed it before we got a chance. that bull was killed on chase mountain about 2 miles from our camp. we wern't mad, she killed a great 350 bull. she missed some that were over 4oo hundred that i got on video. he aint the only big boy out there. quit whining and hunt you people are just upset you didnt kill him. my buddy’s wife drew the dayton archery bull tag this year and we didnt get mad that the governors tag killed it before we got a chance. that bull was killed on chase mountain about 2 miles from our camp. we wern’t mad, she killed a great 350 bull. she missed some that were over 4oo hundred that i got on video. he aint the only big boy out there. quit whining and hunt

]]> Comment on New State Record Washington bull Elk by: ben http://blog.kingsoutdoorworld.com/2008/09/08/new-state-record-washington-bull-elk/#comment-374785 Fri, 26 Dec 2008 18:42:45 +0000 http://blog.kingsoutdoorworld.com/2008/09/08/new-state-record-washington-bull-elk/#comment-374785 i have never known or evan herd of someone sitting on a animal for someone else to come shoot. you must have some great friends. everyone i know would just shoot it. is there anyone here on this blog that goes out and sits on a animal for there friends for days? this is a real question and i would like to here answers from everyone. how many of us could shoot a monster bull in archery season if we used a gun. everyone. thats not hunting, thats why the seasons are the way they are. guided hunts are diferant, thats why they promise a 90% chance or better of getting a bull. how many of us get that each year. im not saying its wrong, just different. its the differents between real hunters and people shooting . soon all recordswill be held by the rich guys. look at how many records have been broken with gov tags in the last 5 years. AGAIN IM NOT BITTER, I THINK THE ANIMALS ARE AWESOM AND GANGRATS TO THE HUNTERS, BUT I IS JUST NOT THE SAME. i have never known or evan herd of someone sitting on a animal for someone else to come shoot. you must have some great friends. everyone i know would just shoot it. is there anyone here on this blog that goes out and sits on a animal for there friends for days? this is a real question and i would like to here answers from everyone. how many of us could shoot a monster bull in archery season if we used a gun. everyone. thats not hunting, thats why the seasons are the way they are. guided hunts are diferant, thats why they promise a 90% chance or better of getting a bull. how many of us get that each year. im not saying its wrong, just different. its the differents between real hunters and people shooting . soon all recordswill be held by the rich guys. look at how many records have been broken with gov tags in the last 5 years. AGAIN IM NOT BITTER, I THINK THE ANIMALS ARE AWESOM AND GANGRATS TO THE HUNTERS, BUT I IS JUST NOT THE SAME.

]]> Comment on New State Record Washington bull Elk by: roosevelt http://blog.kingsoutdoorworld.com/2008/09/08/new-state-record-washington-bull-elk/#comment-371054 Wed, 24 Dec 2008 04:58:07 +0000 http://blog.kingsoutdoorworld.com/2008/09/08/new-state-record-washington-bull-elk/#comment-371054 Think about it raggey. I'm talking about hunting during the rut with a rifle. Only bow hunters, and the person who buy's the governers tag can do this. Bows vs. guns. Who cares what guides he gets. He's only paying them to tell him where the elk is. If I hunted during the rut with a rifle, I could kill a record book bull EVERY year. That's why they shouldn't be allowed in the books. Is it really that hard to comprehend? Think about it raggey. I’m talking about hunting during the rut with a rifle. Only bow hunters, and the person who buy’s the governers tag can do this. Bows vs. guns. Who cares what guides he gets. He’s only paying them to tell him where the elk is. If I hunted during the rut with a rifle, I could kill a record book bull EVERY year. That’s why they shouldn’t be allowed in the books. Is it really that hard to comprehend?

]]> Comment on New State Record Washington bull Elk by: raggey http://blog.kingsoutdoorworld.com/2008/09/08/new-state-record-washington-bull-elk/#comment-369830 Tue, 23 Dec 2008 06:15:39 +0000 http://blog.kingsoutdoorworld.com/2008/09/08/new-state-record-washington-bull-elk/#comment-369830 I'm not sure I understand your logic about disqualifying this bull from the record book. All current rules of Boone & Crockett, Pope & Young and other organizations allow entry of big game into the record books when killed by Governors, auction or raffle tag hunters (or any other hunter for that matter) who are assisted by professional guides in scouting, locating and hunting their animals. This is fundamentally no different that your favored "Regular Tag Hunters" who take a half dozen of their own family members, friends and hunting buddies with them into the woods to help them scout, locate and hunt their animals. What, you want to disqualify them too when brother Bob and Uncle Joe find an elk or deer and sit on it until the "Regular Tag Hunter" gets the phone call, heads to elk camp and shows up to pursue his trophy? Or is this different in your mind? I'm assuming the only big game you want to qualify for the record books is those harvested by the solo DIY regular tag hunter who has no help or assistance, correct? I’m not sure I understand your logic about disqualifying this bull from the record book.

All current rules of Boone & Crockett, Pope & Young and other organizations allow entry of big game into the record books when killed by Governors, auction or raffle tag hunters (or any other hunter for that matter) who are assisted by professional guides in scouting, locating and hunting their animals.

This is fundamentally no different that your favored “Regular Tag Hunters” who take a half dozen of their own family members, friends and hunting buddies with them into the woods to help them scout, locate and hunt their animals.

What, you want to disqualify them too when brother Bob and Uncle Joe find an elk or deer and sit on it until the “Regular Tag Hunter” gets the phone call, heads to elk camp and shows up to pursue his trophy? Or is this different in your mind?

I’m assuming the only big game you want to qualify for the record books is those harvested by the solo DIY regular tag hunter who has no help or assistance, correct?

]]> Comment on New State Record Washington bull Elk by: Little Timmy http://blog.kingsoutdoorworld.com/2008/09/08/new-state-record-washington-bull-elk/#comment-369172 Mon, 22 Dec 2008 17:58:17 +0000 http://blog.kingsoutdoorworld.com/2008/09/08/new-state-record-washington-bull-elk/#comment-369172 It would be nice to get the whole story, probably won't happen, and I even know one of the guys who went on this trip, but if we think about it this is not much different than if one of us drew a big horn sheep tag. We would all spend a ton of money, whether we had it or not, to scout, hike, hire a guide and maybe even fly the area to insure we had a probability of success. Can we compete with Dan's funding, probably not. Is it the way I like to hunt, no. Do I think there should be a dividing line between traditional hunters, taught be their dads or self taught, and those that hire guides or private hunts, sure. But as long as men will be men, someone will cheat so there will never clearly be a line drawn. It is truly awesome to see an animal like this. Some of our thoughts may be envy, ego or frustration, I just hope all of us realize what we need to do to keep hunting open for everyone to enjoy. That means respecting people's property, not leaving a mess, poaching and follow the guidlines. But that also means not charging people to cross your property to public lands. Buying up open land just to charge people to hunt on it and everything else that comes with greed. Hunting has always been a way for people to come back to their roots and if we continue to abuse it, no matter how big or small our pocket book, we may not have a chance to share the experience with our children. I am already experiencing this as I teach my boys to hunt, with respect and dignity, by all of the lands that are either closed or baught up for greed. Think of this and see what you can do to help the sport, that includes those with both with fat and skinny wallets. Too bad my statements will mostly likely be forgotten after one reads this. I just hope I can stil share the outdoors with my kids! It would be nice to get the whole story, probably won’t happen, and I even know one of the guys who went on this trip, but if we think about it this is not much different than if one of us drew a big horn sheep tag. We would all spend a ton of money, whether we had it or not, to scout, hike, hire a guide and maybe even fly the area to insure we had a probability of success. Can we compete with Dan’s funding, probably not. Is it the way I like to hunt, no. Do I think there should be a dividing line between traditional hunters, taught be their dads or self taught, and those that hire guides or private hunts, sure. But as long as men will be men, someone will cheat so there will never clearly be a line drawn. It is truly awesome to see an animal like this. Some of our thoughts may be envy, ego or frustration, I just hope all of us realize what we need to do to keep hunting open for everyone to enjoy. That means respecting people’s property, not leaving a mess, poaching and follow the guidlines. But that also means not charging people to cross your property to public lands. Buying up open land just to charge people to hunt on it and everything else that comes with greed. Hunting has always been a way for people to come back to their roots and if we continue to abuse it, no matter how big or small our pocket book, we may not have a chance to share the experience with our children. I am already experiencing this as I teach my boys to hunt, with respect and dignity, by all of the lands that are either closed or baught up for greed. Think of this and see what you can do to help the sport, that includes those with both with fat and skinny wallets. Too bad my statements will mostly likely be forgotten after one reads this. I just hope I can stil share the outdoors with my kids!

]]> Comment on New State Record Washington bull Elk by: ben http://blog.kingsoutdoorworld.com/2008/09/08/new-state-record-washington-bull-elk/#comment-367048 Sun, 21 Dec 2008 05:52:00 +0000 http://blog.kingsoutdoorworld.com/2008/09/08/new-state-record-washington-bull-elk/#comment-367048 just because it is in the news papers does not make it fact!!!! but i have no problem with what he did, people can spend there money however they want, but it SHOULD NOT BE IN THE RECORDS WITH REGULAR TAG HUNTERS. what is the differance between a ranch hunt and having guides sit on the elk for days waiting for you to come shoot it. and the part about having guides ther long before him, was info he gave in one of his newspapers.. WHY CANT THE STATE WRITE IN AND CLEAR THIS ALL UP, mayby they dont know just because it is in the news papers does not make it fact!!!! but i have no problem with what he did, people can spend there money however they want, but it SHOULD NOT BE IN THE RECORDS WITH REGULAR TAG HUNTERS. what is the differance between a ranch hunt and having guides sit on the elk for days waiting for you to come shoot it. and the part about having guides ther long before him, was info he gave in one of his newspapers..
WHY CANT THE STATE WRITE IN AND CLEAR THIS ALL UP, mayby they dont know

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