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Video: What Does This Elk Score?

How big is this bull elk?

More big bulls are getting spotted. This footage and photos were sent in by Harmon Silloway. He got a close look at this monster elk. Harmon says it is a 7×11 point non-typical bull.

What do you think it scores? Very tough to tell from the photos and video…

This bull is a herd bull that is a result of transplanted elk to the east to help build up the herd years ago and therefore has a radio collar on its neck as wildlife authorities keep a close eye on the herd. Don’t let that make you think that it is a high fenced bull. This is a fair chase bull that a lucky hunter could very well get this year through their lottery draw.

Short video clip of this bull live


Video: Bulls Beyond Belief 2 Hunting DVD

We are talking big bulls and so I thought it was time for a cool video and video clip to highlight. Bulls Beyond Belief 2 has been years in the making. This long-awaited elk DVD is finally here.

Shane Koury of Koury’s Guide Service has put together a great combination of hunts. Witness the largest elk ever taken on video scoring 442 6/8 P&Y and is the current #2 non-typical archery elk in the world. Nine bulls that average 393 B&C!
Over 60 minutes..

This video has footage the current #2 non-typical archery bull elk in the world. Wow. Plus much more. Give the little video trailer a look. Click Here if you want to buy it and enjoy the whole DVD. You won’t be disappointed.


Photos Posted on 443 Potential State Record Elk

Many of you have been wanting to see photos of the pending 443 gross, 427 net P&Y state record archery bull from Utah that I posted on earlier. This bull was guided by Mossback and they have just posted photos of this bull on their web site. Some amazing photos and an incredible elk.

This bull is a 7×6 point. There is an extra browtine (third browtine) on the right side. Since this extra browtine is not matched on the other side, this point is considered a non-typical abnormal point. “If” there was a matching third browtine, then they would be considered part of the typical frame and it would be classified as a typical (but there isn’t). They still could choose to score this as a typical elk, but the extra browtine would be a deduction. If they are green scoring this bull as a non-typical at roughly 427 net, then a rough (I am guessing here) net typical score after deductions would put it around 407 net typical. I am basing this on the fact that third browtine is about 20-inches long.

I am mentioning this due to the fact that they might be considering what score would be the best. Naturally this would be a state record archery bull either way and probably a #3 in the world as a typical behind Chuck Adams’ bull at 409 2/8 and the new world record from Shawn Patterson that now scores 412 1/8 P&Y.

I will keep you posted on all of the scores as the 60-day drying period closes in.

UPDATE (11-19-07) – The official score is in on the Mossback guided Jimmy Ryan archery non-typical Utah elk. The score is 443 2/8 gross and 428 3/8 net non-typical P&Y.

That is big. This will shatter the state record archery bull, become the new overall state non-typical record for any weapon and is a pending #2 in the world non-typical archery bull for Pope & Young.

Here is a link to the Mossback website were you can see the photos to Jimmy Ryan’s great archery bull
LINK: Mossback


Pope & Young Club Has 2 New World’s Records

The Pope & Young Club had their 25th Biennail Convention and Awards Banquet in Lancaster, Pennsylvania this past spring. During that awards banquet, there were two animals that were declared new world records.

Shawn Patterson’s Arizona elk that he arrowed in 2005 in Coconino County is now the new world record typical archery bull. Shawn’s bull officially scores 412 1/8 net P&Y typical. This bull exceeded the previous world’s record by almost three inches (409 2/8) taken by Chuck Adams in Rosebud, County, Montana in 2000. This is only the fifth 400 plus-inch typical American elk ever taken by a bowhunter. Shawn’s gigantic bull has 60-inch main beams and 56-inch inside spread.

Another world record is the Rocky Mountain Goat taekn by Shad Wheeler near Kalum Lake, British Columbia in 2006. Shad bested a world’s record that had stood for 18 years (42 4/8) by archer Lyle Willmarth in Park County, Colorado in 1988. Shad’s amazing Billy Goat is the new world record scoring 53 0/8 P&Y.

There was also another Mountain Goat that also topped the previous world record during this scoring period. This goat was taken by Allen Bolen in British Columbia as well and scores 52 6/8 P&Y.


How Big Is This Monster Bull Elk?

Guess the Score?

Time to put on your best field judging hat and let’s see how good you guys/gals do. I was just sent these live photos of this monster bull elk that is still roaming the hills. Nope, I am not going to tell you where or from who. Let’s see what you come up with…we have huge typical frame with two big kickers. What a beauty.

If this bull does end up getting knocked down, I will update with the official score and see how close you get.

Minimum bid starts at 400?

How big is this elk?


443 Bull Elk from Utah – New Archery Record!

The Utah elk posts will continue to come as huge bulls continue to get knocked down in 2007. Big rumors are flying around about a possible 443 bull elk taken recently in Utah. Was it with a rifle? Muzzleloader? Bow? Is this a New World Record?

This bull is legit and has been green scored at 443 gross and 427 net non-typical P&Y. It was taken with a bow by Jimmy Ryan. This will shatter the record non-typical archery state record (currently at 401 1/8 P&Y). In addition it will also take over as the overall non-typical state record overtaking the 2002 bull taken by Jeff Didericksen scoring 412 0/8 B&C.

…That is until possibly something bigger gets killed. We are just getting going with the season!

So of course you have to ask the question – if the score holds where would this rank in the world? We will have to wait the 60-day drying period before an official score can come in to know for sure, but here is the “what if” factor:

Right now it would fall into the #2 spot in the world behind the world record Nick Franklin bull (442 0/8 P&Y). Currently the #2 bull is the Clay Heuett bull (422 6/8 P&Y). Both of these Arizona bulls were taken in 2003. Crazy thing is, both of these scores are for Pope & Young. However, both the Franklin bull and the Heuett bull score higher, or listed with a higher score, in the Boone & Crockett record books (444 0/8 and 429 6/8 B&C respectively). Both of these bulls were so big that B&C invited them to their panel as well and they are listed in both the P&Y and B&C record books but have different scores.

Here is my list that I think is still correct for the top five non-typical archery bulls listed in Pope & Young:

Non-typical American Elk through 2006 season

1. 442 0/8, Coconino County, AZ, 2003, Nick Franklin
2. 422 6/8, Navajo County, AZ, 2003, Clay R. Heuett
3. 420 5/8, Shoshone County, ID, 1981, Steven W. Mullin
4. 419 5/8, Coconino County, AZ, 1985, James L. Ludvigson
5. 417 0/8, Coconino County, AZ, 1993, Brady J. Dupke

UPDATE (11-19-07) – The official score is in on the Mossback guided Jimmy Ryan archery non-typical Utah elk. The score is 443 2/8 gross and 428 3/8 net non-typical P&Y.

That is big. This will shatter the state record archery bull, become the new overall state non-typical record for any weapon and is a pending #2 in the world non-typical archery bull for Pope & Young.


New Oregon State Record Archery Buck

Just another great velvet typical archery mule deer from the 2007 season. This time we move over and give some props to Oregon. There was a beautiful mule deer taken that looks like it will easily take the state record typical in the velvet category and likely to surpass the overall state record. Green score on this buck is an awesome 198 4/8 net typical P&Y. With about 13 inches of total deductions (there is also a small kicker on the left G4) this buck gross scores about 212.

I’ll keep you posted on the official score when it is available and maybe a pic if I can. Thanks to Wade for the heads up on this one.

UPDATE (10/31/07) – Rob McKibbin has just got his buck officially scored. The official results are 202 5/8 gross and 192 4/8 net typical. As of right now Rob’s buck was the new state record archery velvet typical mule deer (see below). I will keep this post active as we find out more from these other potential record archery bucks from Oregon and see if this changes.
Rob McKibbin Oregon Archery velvet typical mule deer 2007
Rob McKibben and his Oregon Archery velvet typical mule deer from 2007 scoring 202 5/8 gross and 192 4/8 net P&Y

So how does this rank. Doing some research, it looks like the prior Oregon state record for velvet typical mule deer is 186 0/8 taken by Richard Marks in 1995. The hard-horned state archery record is 195 7/8 taken by Gidion Jackson back in 1990. The #2 buck is 193 3/8 P&Y taken in 1996.

UPDATE (11/14/07) – Thanks Kim for the update. It looks like Nick Mickelson just got his velvet typical archery mule deer scored yesterday. The official results are 207 gross and 194 7/8 net P&Y. He had some abnormal points that contributed to the 13 1/8-inches of deductions. What a buck! So here we go. Nick just surpassed Rob as the new state record velvet typical archery buck. We’ll see if he can hold the top spot for a bit.
Nick Mickelson Oregon Archery Velvet Buck
Nick Mickelson and his Oregon Archery Velvet Buck scoring 207 gross and 194 7/8 net P&Y. This is a pending new state record velvet archery typical mule deer.

New state record archery velvet NON-TYPICAL buck has also been taken in 2007. For those of you who have kept up on the comments to this post have learned of Chris Dunlap’s new velvet record Oregon buck with an official score of 231 1/8 gross and 225 3/8 net non-typical P&Y as a 11×13 point. What a year for Oregon bowhunters in 2007.
Chris Dunlap Oregon Archery Non-typical muley
Chris Dunlap with his new Oregon Archery State Record Velvet Non-typical Mule Deer which scores 231 1/8 gross and 225 3/8 net P&Y.

I would like to thank everyone for making this post so successful. Due to your help we have been able to track down the best from Oregon this year and allow everyone access to the most accurate information. I have photos from Rob, Nick and Chris. I am going to be running the stories on all three of these great record bucks in our next issue of Hunting Illustrated Magazine rightfully titled our “Best of 2007″ issue. Because of everyone’s help on tracking these bucks down, I think I will go ahead and post the photos from all three bucks on this post.

So…is this it for Oregon velvet archery records from 2007? Not so fast!

I believe there is still one more typical buck out there that could still mix things up a bit. It has not been officially scored yet, but I have seen a photo and there is no question it could net score in the 190′s. It is not very wide, but tall. Until I can get full permission and get a chance to actually talk with the hunter, we will have to wait it out a bit on this buck before I can do any more…


2007 Utah Sportsman Elk Tag is Down

I just heard that the Utah Sportsman Elk Tag holder ended up putting a short season on his special permit and took a bull on Saturday (Opening morning). I believe the tag holder was a 15 year old. He ended up taking a 360-class bull. Not quite the 400-inch bull everyone wants or thinks they will get with this type of tag, but a great bull nonetheless. This tag allows you to hunt statewide from September 1 through December 31st. The elk was taken off of the Pahvant. A lot of people right now on the Pahvant looking for big bulls.

UPDATE: Here is a photo of the Sportsman Elk Tag. The bull is bigger than I had posted originally. This beautiful bull has been rough scored around 375 gross B&C and has a tremendous 24-inch third point on the left side.
2007 Utah Sportsman Elk Tag


Gun Control Witness Video

This video shows a great example of why we need to be protected and have the right to bear arms. A great testimony before Congress.

Also, there has just been a new report released by some professors at Harvard. They concluded that More Guns Lead To Less Crime. Imagine that. Here is a summary of that report. If you want to view the whole report, which would make a great resource for you kids needing resources for a school report, check the link at the bottom of this post.

More Guns, Less Crime

The ability of law-abiding citizens to possess firearms has helped reduce violent crime in America.

According to a study recently released by Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy, worldwide gun ownership rates do not correlate with higher murder or suicide rates. In fact, many nations with high gun ownership have significantly lower murder and suicide rates. In their study entitled Would Banning Firearms Reduce Murder and Suicide? A Review of International and some Domestic Evidence, Don B. Kates and Gary Mauser bring out the notion that more guns actually do lead to less crime and disprove “the mantra that more guns mean more deaths and that fewer guns, therefore, mean fewer deaths.” Here are a few excerpts from their findings:

“Norway,” they note, “has far and away Western Europe’s highest household gun ownership rate (32%), but also its lowest murder rate. The Netherlands,” in contrast, “has the lowest gun ownership rate in Western Europe ( 1.9%) … yet the Dutch gun murder rate is higher than the Norwegian.”

“murder in Europe was at an all-time low before the gun controls were introduced.” As the authors note, “strict controls did not stem the general trend of ever-growing violent crime throughout the post-WWII industrialized world.”

Citing England, for instance, they reveal that “when it had no firearms restrictions [in the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries], England had little violent crime.” By the late 1990s, however, “England moved from stringent controls to a complete ban on all handguns and many types of long guns.” As a result, “by the year 2000, violent crime had so increased that England and Wales had Europe’s highest violent crime rate, far surpassing even the United States.” In America, on the other hand, “despite constant and substantially increasing gun ownership, the United States saw progressive and dramatic reductions in criminal violence in the 1990s.”

“the fall in the American crime rate is even more impressive when compared with the rest of the world,”

The reason that gun ownership doesn’t correlate with murder rates, the authors show, is that violent crime rates are determined instead by underlying cultural factors. “Ordinary people,” they note, “simply do not murder.” Rather, “the murderers are a small minority of extreme antisocial aberrants who manage to obtain guns whatever the level of gun ownership” in their society.

Therefore, “banning guns cannot alleviate the socio-cultural and economic factors that are the real determinants of violence and crime rates.” According to Dr. Kates and Dr. Mauser, “there is no reason for laws prohibiting gun possession by ordinary, law-abiding, responsible adults because such people virtually never commit murder. If one accepts that such adults are far more likely to be victims of violent crime than to commit it, disarming them becomes not just unproductive but counter-productive.”


LINK: View PDF of Whole Report


Tailor-Made Optics from Leupold

Tailor-Made Optics:
Leupold®Launches Custom Shop Web Site

BEAVERTON, Ore. — Hunters and shooters can construct a preview of customized Leupold® rifle, pistol and shotgun scopes before purchasing on the company’s new Custom Shop Web site,

Visitors to the site can select from 11 series of scopes. Following scope selection, customers begin the personalization process by choosing model, finish and reticle. From there, users can add custom colors and finishes to select models.

Laser engraving is another option available with the Custom Shop. In addition to their name or initials, users can also choose from 21 animals to have engraved into a scope.

After each customization step, the displayed image of the scope is automatically updated.

“The new Custom Shop Web site allows hunters and shooters to combine the optical excellence, ruggedness and durability of Leupold scopes with a personalized look and custom performance features,” said Pat Mundy, Leupold’s marketing communications supervisor. “By the end of the process, customers have a scope tailor-made for their unique brand of hunting or shooting.”

Other customization options include:

* Ring and Medallion
* Bullet Drop Compensation
* Parallax Adjustment
* Adjustment Dials

The site also features an itemized cost section where customers can see the price of each selected option as well as a total price. Once finished, customers can order their personalized scope directly from the site.

Leupold & Stevens, Inc., the only prominent American-owned and -operated optics company, employs more than 650 people in its state-of-the-art Beaverton, Ore., facility where rugged, dependable, high-performance Golden Ring® sports optics are designed, machined and assembled. Founded in 1907 and celebrating its 100th anniversary in 2007, Leupold was named the 2006 National Association of Sporting Goods Wholesalers, Accessories Manufacturer of the Year. Leupold is a fifth-generation, family-owned company with products sold worldwide to hunters, wildlife observers, competitive shooters, law enforcement officers and special operations military personnel. The product line includes rifle, handgun and spotting scopes; binoculars; mounting systems; and optical tools and accessories.